Catching Up With Kieran Over Coffee About Cronulla (11/5/26)

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[00:01:05] Hey there, welcome to SharkCast Party Podcast, dedicated to the greatest sporting club in the history of the world. Kieran, I got in trouble for saying that on Saturday night, but we'll get to that maybe later on. The mighty crown of Sutherland Sharks, this episode is brought to you by Dice Logistics, the Royal Motor Yacht Club in Port Hacking and Jason Halls at Cripps and Cripps Real Estate. For people listening, not watching, Kieran, I've got the giggles, and I've got a Mr. Paisley's coffee right here. And you can see my order somewhere, it's a little bit, anyway, doesn't really matter what my order is.

[00:01:35] Kieran, good morning, how are you? Well, it's a scale really. I mean, it depends what we want to talk about in life. But, you know, we're waking up, there's another day. Ten. The fall's on this weekend, magic round's coming up, I guess. Eight. I don't know. Weekend gone by? Three. We are here to talk about all things Cronel Sharks and see what else comes to our attention.

[00:01:58] And I thought we'd start with something a little bit lighter, Kieran, because we will get into some heaviness, obviously, given what transpired or didn't transpire on the weekend. But I think it must have been Thursday afternoon. This went on sale. And this is, for people listening, the Sharks' latest retro throwback jersey. People watching can see it in my cold, dead hands.

[00:02:26] Kieran, 01, up until what? 04? Am I making that up? When did we finish? 03 was the last season with it. 03. Okay. So that's fitting, given that we were moving on from different cultures that year. So they announced this going on sale, I guess, a week earlier or so, a few little spoilers. And then it went through the roof and mainly due to SharkCast promoting it and a few other people, probably like Paul Gallon or whoever.

[00:02:57] It seemed to sell out almost straight away. They had to do a reorder. So I think if you need one still, you can reorder through the club, but I wouldn't waste too much time on it. But you're a jersey guy as big as I know. And I know quite a lot of jersey guys and girls. What's your take on it? What are you feeling? What are you thinking?

[00:03:15] My first thoughts were, it's funny how well received this jersey is now in 2026, considering at the time it kind of got panned by supporters because nobody liked that design and thought it was cheesy and gimmicky. But I think it actually shows how cool it is because when I think of that jersey, I think of Preston Campbell. I think of David Peachy, you know, all those guys in that really exciting sort of 2001 season. And even 2002 was a great year too.

[00:03:45] Yes. With some ups and downs. But I just look at that jersey with a lot of great memories. That's kind of when I really got hardcore into the Sharks was probably that 2001 season, 2000-ish type period was where I really got into it. I remember I joined like my first online forum to discuss the Sharks in like 2001 when we were going on that run towards the back end of the year. So a lot of good memories with that jersey. I think the execution they've absolutely nailed.

[00:04:10] I think sometimes you see when they bring out these jerseys, they don't really align up to the originals where they've done a lot of things with this one. Even a little point that annoys me, they kept the white sponsor box. Now, I know we had that on the original jersey, but I thought you really could have nailed it and sort of said, look, we've improved and made it look better if you turn the Amorex white or black or something like that and didn't have the box because the box stands out. But I think as a jersey, it looks amazing.

[00:04:37] And as a club, we don't have a lot of these throwback jerseys to kind of put out there, a lot of these designs, right? We've kind of hit the last few years and I know Magic Round, we wore one of these jerseys a few years ago and didn't put in the performance. So hopefully that's not the case this time, but I think it's a 10 out of 10 jersey. I've already got mine. I knew it would sell out straight away. And I think the club needs to lean into the retro stuff more because every time we do, it looks great. And you know who's got a really good retro tracksuit at the moment? The West Tigers.

[00:05:07] We should be getting one of those in black, white and blue. I think they look great. Same classic is the same manufacturer. It looks great. What's their era? Is it like a five or? No, they've got like a, it's just like a nineties sort of bomb, like a nineties track jacket and like tracksuit pants. And it just, it looks really good. And it's got like the classic down the side. It looks like Australia in the nineties. But did you know that speaking of this jersey, David Peachy is the reason why jersey sizes changed? Now, hold up.

[00:05:36] What do you mean changed? In what way do they change? So, you know how like they got rid of the collars and then like the jerseys used to be really big and baggy and then like super slimline jerseys and all that type of stuff. So players couldn't be grabbed. I was listening to a podcast with Paul Kent and he was telling the story about David Peachy would make all these breaks, but he was wearing like a three XL size jersey, like a really baggy jersey.

[00:06:01] And Brian Smith, who was coaching Parramatta at the time, was looking at it saying this player is unbelievable. And he keeps making all these half breaks, but they keep grabbing him by his jersey. If his jersey was smaller, they wouldn't be able to grab Peachy because he was making so many of these half breaks. So, Brian Smith then went into Parramatta, got all the players measured up and then put Parramatta in the slimline jerseys. And then that obviously took off across the league. So, there you go. I didn't know that.

[00:06:28] So, was it because he was just super skinny that that's why it was? Or do you think he was wearing one on purpose three times the size? Well, it'd be great to ask him that question, but I think that was the style back then, right? If you look at like the NBA, everyone had their baggy jerseys and all that type of stuff, right? And it probably was never a thing before, right? So, look, he was a skinnier sort of player.

[00:06:52] But again, like it makes a lot of sense because he was always getting, when I think of Peachy, I think of him so many times like someone holding onto his jersey and he's got his arm out for an offload waiting for someone to catch up. So, there you go. Brian Smith, the innovator. Innovator Brian Smith. We're going to talk about, I think, on the white sponsor box, you can see why they kept it though, right? I mean, look, it's authentic and it's exactly how it was back in the day. And even like the logo is a really similar sort of logo, right?

[00:07:21] So, it does line up and it makes sense. It's just, I feel like jerseys now, the integration becomes such a big thing. And we did it, I think, with our first retro jersey at Magic Round that we wore where we had the Amarex in white. And that made such a difference, right? And I think moving forward, if we could get rid of those ugly sponsor boxes, I think it's a huge thing. Because as soon as you see a club do it, everyone goes, oh, this is amazing, blah, blah, blah. So, I get why they did it.

[00:07:48] It doesn't ruin the jersey for me because it is authentic and it looks exactly like it should. But even just down to the sort of fins down the side, like it is so close to the original. It's not funny. And also, it's great to see the collars. And so many clubs are scared to wear collars for the reason I just mentioned players grabbing onto them. It's great we've sort of said, you know what, it's not going to make a difference to how we play. And how many times do you see a player get grabbed by the collar? And if it is, it's probably going to be a penalty anyway.

[00:08:14] Now, I mean, obviously, I've got this jersey in my hand, so I've got recency bias here. But the collar even looks, at this point in time, say it's the same as what it was in 01, it looks smaller than like what Matt Rogers would have had the year before. Like it looks like they're already working towards a smaller collar. Because for a while, they're actually quite big and you could grab onto them. This is a little bit different. If you grab onto this, sure, you might do some damage with it. But it's not really, there's not a lot to grab, put it that way.

[00:08:43] Yeah. And I'm just looking back at the original ones, because I've just got up some photos from the original ones. And the collar wasn't as big as I remembered. But again, it was definitely bigger than what we've put on this one too. But the fact we've released the blue version of it, I'd love to see us maybe next year do the white version that we also have, which was our away strip at the time too. That jersey reminds me more of like Jason Stevens for some reason. I think when I look back to footy cards, like there was a footy card of him in that jersey.

[00:09:12] But it'd be great to see. The white version of this. Yeah. Remember we had the white away jersey? Yeah. Okay. This one here. So exactly the one. So the LG one again, talking about sponsor integration, why didn't we just put the LG sign there? Why do we have to make a black box? Like anyway, that was what everybody did back then at the time, right? So it'll be interesting to see what jersey we bring out next. Maybe it'll be the 06 grade. Yeah. There's been talk about that amongst the fans, right?

[00:09:42] And that'll prove your point about, you know, a new jersey coming out in 2026, 27, whenever and selling out. Because back then, I don't know how many they would have moved. Like I didn't, I think what I didn't really appreciate at the time was the full kit. So the socks, the shorts, the jersey was a bit, was a bit much. If it was just the jersey, a jersey is not a bad looking jersey to be fair. I don't know.

[00:10:08] I do think that would be a good experiment with your theory that what wasn't that popular then would be more popular now because it is retro. It reminds me of things. It's something old. Yeah. Really interesting that it represents 01 and 02, 03 because I mean, okay, right off 03, it was a disaster. But 02, obviously the new culture coming in, successful year on the field as far as wins and that kind of thing go.

[00:10:32] So, but yeah, these two, two big contrasting years of 01 and 02. Speaking of which, I do want to give a plug to our mate, Nick O'Hines. He's got a new kind of thing happening and I don't want everyone to freak out, but he has released a 15 minute kind of behind the scenes look at his sort of weekly life, weekend life of. And it happened to come out last night. It was planned for a while and he even made note of the fact that they got defeated.

[00:11:02] They lost, they, they didn't play that great, but he's still releasing a video. I hope everyone understands. And A, it's really good to see a week in the life of it. It's quite interesting. B, there's a couple of cameos that you may, may be familiar with, but C, what shocked me, I need to bring it up with him when I have the chance to do so is that he talks about your mate, Justin Lang, who's in the, in the, in the. Uh, episode a bit with his, um, rehab and everything else. So Justin Lang, local fitness guru.

[00:11:33] And then he said, Nico starts talking about who he is and who his family were. He talks about his dad, John, and his brother, Martin. Now I need to watch it back. I only watched it the one time. He reels off who they played for and who they coached. I don't think he mentioned the sharks once, Nico. So he might need a bit of a history lesson there. I haven't seen it. Don't hold it against him. Don't hold it against him. It's just like, you just want to jump through the screen and go, Hey. Well, I was actually, I was getting my hair cut.

[00:11:59] I was talking to my barber about, um, about that error of the sharks. And he didn't realize that Preston Campbell and, you know, Martin Lang and John Lang were all at the sharks before the Panthers. And I was like, what are you talking about? It must be an age thing. Yeah. And that's when I realized how old I'm getting. And also too, I'm at the point now where I'm looking at jerseys from when I was, you know, an early teen and now they're retro jerseys. Right. So I'm having an existential crisis myself, which isn't unusual to be fair. Yeah. It's almost a by daily thing for me at this point in life.

[00:12:29] Um, the Nico thing. I have no dramas with him doing it again. He's just filming what he would be doing anyway. Like he's living that life regardless. Like he's not going, all right, now I'm going to go for a surf to make content. Like he goes, go for a surf. Right. So again, I've got no dramas with him doing it. The West Tigers players are doing it. Chad Townsend was doing it during his career. The only thing I'll say is that it does open him up to a lot of people that can take their pot shots and make their comments and criticisms, which he's going to get anyway. Yeah.

[00:12:56] I don't want to like spoil and not longer people to watch the whole thing, but he does talk about in when I say in depth, it's only 15 minute episode, but he does talk about criticism and from both the media and social media and fans. He talks about it. It's very, it's very off the cuff. It just gives you that insight into who he is. Now people might hate it. They might go, this is too much. I don't want to hear this stuff. Go practice your kicking. Like you'll get all sorts of responses.

[00:13:26] I'm sure he's aware of that, but it is a bit of insight into the number seven. If you have an interest in it, I've, you know, despite maybe appearing in the video for a few seconds, I don't make any money off it. So I'm not here to plug the guy, but interesting for sharks fans. Interesting. Now, what wasn't interesting on the weekend was that performance. So sharks lose. What was the score Kieran? 36 to 12. Let's talk about it, man. Let's go into it.

[00:13:56] We're currently sitting in 10th place, which seems like a place we've been for a while. We are two points off the top eight. We are four points off the top four and we are eight points off the leader Penrith. So I'm not prepared to say anything too dramatic about the season. There's still a lot that can be achieved, but obviously we need to improve a lot on what's been going on for me. So Kieran, aside from, we'll get into the specifics why we lost.

[00:14:24] For me, the inconsistency is really bringing me down. Like it's really making me blue. The inconsistency. Like that's just not on. I don't care for inconsistency in rugby league. Yeah. I mean, to have the performance a few weeks ago with the Cowboys put 46 on us, then to have a bounce back against an understrength Tigers put on 50 points ourselves, and then to be so disjointed in attack and look so flat when we had the ball, I thought was just extremely disappointing.

[00:14:53] And there were certain signs there in the early parts of the game where, you know, we were winning meters. We were doing different things and looking quite good, but it just, it just never clicked. It never got there. And it's something that we're going to need to fix. So I'm not sure how we do that or what we do to try and get things going. But the one thing we need to do is we need to sort out what we do in terms of giving away penalties because we can complain about the refs all we want.

[00:15:21] But if you go down 7-0 in a penalty count at the start of a game, you might as well not turn up because you are not going to swing that momentum back. And it's really disappointing and it's really annoying and frustrating to see that we've not won a penalty count since August. And now we're going into magic round where usually sometimes that can be a round where they really put the whistle to use. So they've got to be better. They've got to make sure that they don't put themselves in these positions and make sure that, again, we don't go down 7-0 on a penalty count.

[00:15:50] Like the ill discipline is absolutely madness. And we spoke about it almost every week about this. Even, you know, games we've won, we've got Hammond on the penalty count too. So again, it's not one main offender, but it's just an attitude throughout the squad that it's despicable at the moment. Like the amount of penalties we're giving away is ridiculous. You can say what you want about the refs and all that type of stuff, but we've got to do something about it on our end because the refs will keep blowing the penalties. Yeah, no, very well said.

[00:16:19] And, you know, the one we talked about was the Warriors where we lost the penalty count 10-1. But I don't think necessarily the first seven of those penalties were in the first 30 minutes, for example, which is where a lot of the damage was done against South Sydney on the weekend. Now, I'm with you. Like the majority of penalties I would imagine would be accurate and by the law. There's some circumstantial ones. There's ones on the weekend where you go, well, Stone Street got taken out. We didn't get a penalty.

[00:16:47] But then the same thing down the other end, they get a penalty. There's stuff like that which really draws attention to the fact where we go, oh, this doesn't seem fair. But let's not sugarcoat it. I would imagine the majority of these penalties are legitimate penalties. I mean, a lot of these 50-50 ones are just not going our way at the moment as well. Right. And they're also not going given to us on the other side of the ball too. Right.

[00:17:10] So it's one of those cases where it's just an extremely frustrating thing for us to go from being, you know, one of the most disciplined and penalty winning teams to now being not only last on that scale, we are considerably behind the second most penalized team. And we're getting absolutely hammered. And now, is that a fitness thing? Is that an attitude thing? What is it? Right.

[00:17:32] I know we've had the NRL's referees down at our training sessions and things like that to try and work with the NRL on not giving away these penalties and things like that. But it's not working at the moment. And there needs to be some sort of systematic change in what we're doing and how we're going about our business because it's not acceptable.

[00:17:49] You could say that it comes down to other sides of discipline, the way they're carrying themselves, the way they're conceding points, the whole thing, dropping of the heads when things don't go their way. Like it's not a real positive vibe week to week on the field for us. And you could see that with the try that they scored.

[00:18:13] Was it, it was, was it you and Aitken who scored in the end of the 100 meter try, the kick return one, just players dropping off left, right and center. The whole, it started with the whole line at the front. And then we had Nico and Will and a bunch of guys not being able to make a tackle. The attitude there just wasn't on the field in that game. And it was there for everyone to see.

[00:18:35] And, you know, people talk to me about, oh, maybe the coach doesn't have the dressing room anymore or, or maybe he's not. It's like, I don't, I don't think it, we can talk about this later on, but I think it just comes down to the players' performances on the field. Like get your act together, get your head right, play as a team. They talked every week about unity and, and what's the word, Kieran, they use? Connection. Connection. Thank you. There's, that's not there.

[00:19:04] So if that's not there, that's a problem. And it's a problem man to man. Like, I don't know why it's not there. At other times of the week, it is there. But when they rock up for this game, for example, so something's not connecting, excuse the pun. Yeah. And this is now falls on fits, right? So to your point, the players need to do better and they need to stop giving away these silly penalties. They need to fix their attitude and all that type of stuff.

[00:19:31] But I feel like we've now seen a body of work over the last two, three months since this season started, as well as last season as well. And the season before that, because it's been a pretty stable roster, right? Pretty stable 20 or so players that have been in there, that I feel like there needs to be message sent and there needs to be some sort of a change. There needs to be movement within the squad. Now, you know, we often say, well, there's nobody potentially kicking down the door in certain positions and all that type of stuff, right? And I totally get that and I agree with that.

[00:20:01] But at some point, we need to send a message and it needs to be something that goes on. And I know Katoa got dropped a few weeks ago after a bad game. I know Britt last year didn't walk straight back into the starting team and, you know, all that type of stuff. We're going to have potentially Ronaldo coming back this week and potentially Rami in two. Those two cannot be the only two changes.

[00:20:19] Like if we just see Ronaldo and Jesse coming into the starting side, I'm going to be a little bit disappointed because I feel like there needs to be some sort of zap or some sort of trigger that we pull to sort of say to everybody, okay, something needs to change here. And again, where I rack my brain is, where do you make that change? And who do you make the fall by? I'm not 100% sure.

[00:20:45] Now, Haradi's probably going to cop a lot of the thing, but he would have been in the team anyway, right? And same with Sifer in the centers, right? So I feel like that's a bit of a lazy thing to do by just changing them and expecting us to go, all right, we're back together. Let's go. I think it needs to be something substantial. And who that player is, I'm not sure, because you move Colquhoun to the bench for McInnes. Now, we've just brought in the core of back in for Burns. So is it a Wilton? Is it a Fenilla Blake? You're not going to drop Fenilla Blake.

[00:21:14] And potentially you're going to have disruption at number nine with whatever happens with Braley if we can't get that downgraded. So it's going to be a really interesting week. It is. And I think that my gut answer, my initial instant reaction to who should be dropped is whoever's not performing for me. Like it's not about how you make the team work best and then there's a full guy and it's not really his fault. You go straight to the source, surely. And whoever that's going to be, that's who it's going to be.

[00:21:45] That's how I would from any point of view you want to look at. For me, that's who it's got to be. So, okay, you want to make a statement, but don't pick on some guy just because it makes the rest of the team work out okay. Go to the source. Whoever you may think that is, that's how I'd look at it. I agree. I think where I struggle with that is I can't point out a single player as the problem, right? I think it's a blanket thing. And this is part of the reason why I don't want to re-sign a lot of these players.

[00:22:15] It's not that I don't like these players or I don't think they're good players. It's just I feel like we've got what we've got and we understand the ceiling of that. And if we continue with the attitude of, well, this team's made two prelims. We should be able to get our stuff back together and make that run. I feel like this year we've fallen so far behind our own standards that we need to shake it up and make some sort of a change. Now, again, I hate being the guy saying I don't know what that change is, but is it a change in the halves?

[00:22:41] Is it a change at, well, that's really the only thing you can change. That would be kind of a big zap to the system, right? And again, I don't know what that looks like. So, Kieran, if we're going to change the halves, for example, that's a tough one. Because week by week they share the tri-assist duties. They're both creative week to week. They kind of alternate. That's a tough one for me personally on current form.

[00:23:10] But I do stand by the fact that whoever is not so much your weak link, but whoever's not performing to what you think they should be performing team-wide, not halves-wide, but team-wide, that's your fall guy right there. And I, too, am not really sure. I mean, people have been taking aim at, for example, a Britton Nikera. They look at his stats. His run meters, for example, are down usually compared to other second rowers. But he's not alone there either.

[00:23:38] So, people on the post-game show asked me what I would do, and my immediate reaction was something like, Sifatallakai to starting prop instead of Toby Rudolph. Either that or Jesse Colquhoun. Cam McKinnis starts. You bring back Ronaldo. You bring back Jesse Ramian. And that's already a better team. And then, on the bench, you have to sacrifice someone, I guess. But you need to adapt with the times. You need players who are going to rip in.

[00:24:08] Sifatallakai at prop makes perfect sense to me. I know he's a shorty, but so is Danny Nutley. Otherwise, go with Jesse Colquhoun starting prop. Talakai off the bench. Talakai needs big minutes. We might as well milk him while he's here. He's here for not much longer. Let's get the most out of him. I feel sorry for the fact that he's defending in the center sometimes because it's not his strong point, given his lateral movement. So, there's things you can do with the current lineup that aren't that dramatic to make it better.

[00:24:38] Yeah. I like the idea of Jesse starting at prop. I thought he was one of our better players on the weekend and has been for the majority of this season. I thought it was probably a little unfair for him to take the fall. But again, he was moved to the bench not because of his performance. It was more so with Cam's leadership out on the field, right? So, again, I do like that idea of Jesse maybe playing in the front row. I also don't hate the idea of Siffer playing in the front row, but I personally would just go Jesse up front and have Siffer on the bench.

[00:25:07] And again, just try and find some sort of spark with what we've got because if we don't have Braley playing this week, our attack is going to be very disjointed from that sense. Because we've had Blake feeding these guys the ball for like 150 straight games or whatever the number is these days without even going off for a few minutes. So I think Cam did a stint at Hooker one game against Melbourne down in Melbourne for a little bit or something like that.

[00:25:37] But really, we don't see it and Beryl's had a few minutes here or there. We don't really see a lot of it, right? So you probably can't make the change to the house as much as I probably think that's maybe where we need to do something. But again, it will come back to how do we change or how do we influence the meters going forward, the run meters, the contact, the quick play the balls and try and change what we're doing. Because we look very flat at the moment.

[00:26:01] And you saw that with some of our attacking plays where, you know, Trindle tries to hit Britt and it was just not on and looking like two guys not in communication with each other. Yeah, there was a bit of that on the weekend. If you go back and watch it a bit closer or if you're at the game, of course, there was a bit of disconnect, not only with the way they played, but with the communication and the reaction especially. And that doesn't mean unhappy team. That just means unhappy performance. Like we cannot get away from that. There was an unhappy performance.

[00:26:32] The fans, the coach, the players, unhappy with that performance. You're going to see reactions on the field you wouldn't normally see. However, it doesn't mean that, that also doesn't mean there's some sort of not bigger issue, but more serious issue week to week where they need to work on that. Like you can't run onto that field against South Sydney, no matter who's playing or who's not playing against a Wayne Bennett team who you know how they're going to play and be disconnected.

[00:26:57] And our mate Clinton's going to hate this episode because he hates the word connect when it comes to rugby league, but that's where we're at. I also heard a lot about Luttrell being out. Did it affect them mentally? I have to believe it didn't. What's your thoughts on that? Who cares about Luttrell being out? Because if you go back and look, they're also missing Brandon Smith, you know, Jai Arrow. They're all missing a ton of guys, right? And they, they had so many guys that were missing. It was, it's almost like when we were playing the Roosters last year, there was that many players out.

[00:27:27] So again, I don't think the Luttrell thing would be a real excuse for us because they were missing so many players. And it, it, if we took that performance from the Tigers and then thought, okay, everything's fixed and everything's good. And then turned up with that sort of attitude, then, then that should be one of the most alarming things. And we saw Fitzgibbon take them out of the room and put them in a different room without a camera at halftime. Now that's not something we've historically seen.

[00:27:54] And for him to do that was obviously him not wanting anyone else to see how animated he probably was in that room and, and the body language and things like that, because it would have been a serve all serves. That's quite fascinating in itself, because that answers a lot of the questions about why doesn't he give us more at the press conferences, which a he did on the weekend, but B, that's a perfect example. Boy, let's go into a mini room and I'm going to yell the hell out of it out of this room and you're going to listen.

[00:28:23] And I have no problem with that because he also probably knew that the cameras are on and they didn't see, you'd see 30 guys walking into another room. Like it was very obvious what was going to happen. He mentioned things like he's sick of waiting on performances, the attitude you got to rip in. Like he said some pretty good stuff. And for a guy like Fitzy, who keeps it inside rather than outside, it was actually quite telling. Now, what comes of that? I can't tell you. That was more of an insight into how he's feeling rather than we're learning our lessons, et cetera.

[00:28:53] When he said that I'm sick of waiting, it just made me think of newfound glory understatement. Do you remember that song? Yeah, of course. I'm sick of waiting and so is my jaw. Can't you see my front is crumbling down? I'm sick of being someone I'm not. Please get me out of this slump. I'm sick of clapping when I know I can do it better for myself. I'm sick of waiting, sick of all these words that will never matter. Now, that is very, very focused on that performance, I think. I can't remember who it was.

[00:29:22] Maybe you can help me. In the past week in the media, extended media, someone talking about Fitzy as a coach and how they're not playing like he used to play. Can you remember who that was? What was in the past week? Did you hear that one? I have heard things. Just like a reference. I mean, the people that often talk in that realm are the Luke Kearys, Brian Fletchers. Ah, maybe it was Luke Keary. Let's just keep it open, but I wanted to credit whoever it was.

[00:29:50] But someone made a great point and it's like we remember what he was like. Now, you know who it was? It was my guest, Adele, on the show, the West Tigers, sorry, former assistant coach now up at South Logan. So it was my friend Adele. And he said, you remember how, we all remember how Fitzy used to play if we're old enough, how he used to play. And he never gave up. He bled. He was the first and last one there. Like he did everything. And that was, that was his trademark. And he says it himself.

[00:30:18] He wasn't the most gifted footballer, but he put in the most very reliable and that's talking him down. He was a great footballer. But you would have to say that for whatever reason, and last year there were some examples where we did play like that. The last sort of 15 rounds was amazing or whatever, or 10 rounds, whatever it was. But when you look at a season like this, they're not showing any traits of that.

[00:30:41] Now, I'm not saying he necessarily wants them to play like he used to play, but I would have thought that would rub off on some of these guys. And even when I see them at training, like he's very, or if you've ever met him, he's very driven, very determined, quite serious when he needs to be. So, so I'm not saying he can't crack a funny or whatever, but he's quite a serious dude. And that doesn't, that wasn't shown on Saturday night, for example.

[00:31:11] Like I didn't see a lot of that. I didn't see first to the ball on the scrambling for a ball, all that never give up. I didn't see that on the weekend. And that is very concerning because this roster has now been together and underneath him for a number of years now. And if that's where those players are at after four or five years of learning from that tree of knowledge, then I think it's time to make some changes, which we're looking at doing.

[00:31:36] But is that all on the coach, all on the players, somewhere in the middle, or is it as simple as, and I don't want to be that person, but this is generation, whatever we're up to now. And it's a different mold, not to say every single player is a different mold, but that mold of player is old fashioned or whatever. Is it, could you throw that in?

[00:31:54] I think that does have a place, but I then go back and look at it and I say, well, we've made that decision to keep those people because we've obviously believed in their ability to buy in or to change or to improve. Yeah.

[00:32:08] Now, the fact that we are seeing such inconsistency from a whole range of players that we have made long term investments in, I think then goes back onto the coach's responsibility to then go, all right, well, I have given this person enough rope after time after time, and they have not met my expectations. Even though you still might think that they could get there.

[00:32:31] I feel like now we're at the point where we've seen what we've seen and I'll use a guy like Royce Hunt, for example, right? So when we had Royce at the club, he would show flashes, right? And you would say, there's something there. We, there's something that we think we can get out of this guy. Like he's worth keeping around. But as our squad improved and as we brought in, say, for Neil Blake and all that other type of stuff, it became evident to us that it was time to move on from Royce. And there was a bit of an uproar from some of the fans.

[00:32:59] Jack Williams, you can throw in that boat too, right? But it got to a point where we sort of said, you know what? Some of these things that we're seeing, we, we think we've hit the peak. And Fitz talked about this in the past, right? Where he, when he looks at a player, he looks at where they're at, where he thinks that they're going to go, or if he thinks that they're about to maybe at the peak of their powers or about to start maybe a decline or whatever that looks like. So he's got a very clear metric of that.

[00:33:25] And I think there's a few players that we've thought were in different parts of that metric that are now not delivering. And now it's on the coach to either fix it or move on and bring in the fresh blood, right? Because it's really tricky situation for us because a lot of our good young players are just that they're very young and they are getting their experience in New South Wales Cup this year, right? For some good results and some mixed results, right?

[00:33:50] So they need time to develop playing against men before we throw them out there in an NRL system where we expect to win most weeks. We expect to be a top eight team. We actually expect to be a top four team, right? Yeah. So if you start then going, all right, well, let's bring in Michael Gabriel and Riley Pollard and Liam Eysen, you are literally changing the DNA and the fabric of what that team's ceiling looks like. Because you're not going to be able to go on a run with a bunch of guys who've never played first grade before, right?

[00:34:18] So there needs to be, in my opinion, some sort of forward planning and focus around like, okay, if we've identified this is an issue with this player and we have this guy in the system below it, how do we work that in? And you do see it though. We see it with our 19-man bench and you get some of the younger guys sitting on the bench just in case. Yeah. But I think that's something that we need to really start looking at and considering because we have so many players off contract and we are going to be feeling from within mostly.

[00:34:46] But at the same time, we've only signed one player. Well, you can add in Jones as well. So two players in the last two seasons in our NRL squad, right? And again, we are looking to build from within for next year too. I think we do need some sort of a freshener and some sort of a change. Yeah, I think that's becoming more obvious week in, week out. But on the younger blokes, I think they're not – it's not the worst situation. They're not handling it the worst way. Like I think there's hope there.

[00:35:15] Like a guy like Rolly Pollard is in the squad. He's training with them most training sessions. He's playing cup footy week in, week out now and going pretty good. So he's playing against bigger bodies. I could see him potentially next year coming off the bench the way Trindle did, getting a bit of game time. I don't know if it's a this year thing unless it's a necessity. Liam Eisson is still real green as far as the injury goes.

[00:35:43] Obviously, he was NRL ready two years ago. So it's there. But you can't rush that stuff with his body. So I think there's a plan. And there's guys – you know, Felix Fartilli is even getting closer. But I wouldn't – I personally wouldn't throw him out next week. I just think it's too soon. But I think there is a bit of hope there.

[00:36:07] But the answer for week in, week out in 26 is not throwing these guys as far as you and I are concerned. Now, do you think if – this is just a big question and it's not directed at Sifatallakai. But do you think if he wasn't defending there, particularly like say Cowboys game and last week, and there was someone just a bit more lateral – not anyone, but someone, whether it was Ramian or just someone who could have helped out slightly more.

[00:36:36] Do you think that the games would have been different? Like would we have had a better chance against South? Because I'm not – again, I'm not blaming a loss on one guy at all. I'm not even blaming some of those tries on one guy, which is going to get me, you know, skinned alive by our audience. But having said that, definitely some. But do you think overall we would have had a chance of winning that game? Because I don't know. As we've sort of hinted along, it's not really one guy letting us down.

[00:37:04] When it was Littrell playing and we didn't have Ramian, I stepped back and I looked at it and I thought, you know, at first I was like Sifat's going to get killed against Littrell. But then I was like, all right, well, what are our other options? And our other options were, you know, Riley Jones who plays a little bit of center, a little bit of fullback, a little bit of nine. Again, if you were putting him up against Littrell, I was like, oh, that's not going to be ideal. Just because, again, it's a new position to him in first grade and all that type of stuff, right? Then I was like, all right, well, what about Vaila?

[00:37:31] And I was like, well, that's a big ass to have him step up and to play that role and defend against Littrell. So once Littrell got injured and wasn't playing, I thought, okay, well, maybe I probably would have made a change then or I'll put a different center in there, sure, like for like, right? Now, I get it. You don't just change your plans because they're missing a player and all that type of stuff. You've trained all week. You've had a game plan.

[00:37:56] You focus on what you do versus, you know, casting a wide net for what they might potentially throw at you. But I don't know if it would have made much of a difference based off the discipline in that game and the fact that we were down 7-0 in penalties at the start. And for me, if you can't fix that, then it doesn't really matter what you're putting out there because you are going to get hammered. You are going to get frustrated. You are going to be defending.

[00:38:26] And that fatigue is going to wear you out and you are going to concede points. Now, that will come from where the weakest link is. And, you know, Haradi and Sif are defending there was the weakest link for a lot of those tries and they went there. But for mine, when we look at the fatigue and we look at our middles and we get pulled apart on the inside by the time it gets out wide. The reason why we're so fatigued is because we're giving away so many penalties and we're doing it week on week. Now, I don't know which Alex Johnson try it was. It might have been the first one.

[00:38:56] But they were down our right edge. Sorry, down our left edge. And one of their guys went for a dummy half try. And we had like six guys in there stopping it. They stopped it. And as soon as they played the ball, everyone knew we were short, not only to the right but anywhere right of that little space. There was literally, I think, five guys, you know, fair enough, stopping it, whatever. But then they have to scramble to get back in position. Cody Walker's out there. You know, you and I could have been out there playing for South. Hey, let's go left.

[00:39:28] Now, outnumbered and things like that are hard to stop no matter who's playing in the centers. Having said that, there were some one or two really bad reads from Sipha and therefore Marwini. So we're not excusing that necessarily. But there are different reasons why that right edge of ours has been found out. It's not just necessarily every time one or two guys. If you go back to that reference, there was like maybe like a six on two overlap. What do you think? Yeah.

[00:39:58] I think where we failed as a club is that we knew Ronaldo was not going to be playing this season. Well, to this point, right? We knew he was going to miss a big chunk of change, right? So that's left us very exposed on our edges. And I think if we had gone into the market and bought a center winger, you could have had Haradi playing in the centers instead of Sipha, which would have probably given us a lot more balance. And I think Haradi is definitely suited to the center role versus the winger role, right? So I feel like we really missed a trick there.

[00:40:26] And, you know, maybe we're saving it for some magical June 30th signing. I'm not sure, but I feel like that's what really let us down because we knew we were missing Ronaldo for months. Then Catoa goes down. So Stone Street now becomes our sort of quote unquote most experienced winger with Haradi, right? And we kind of view Haradi as more as a center. So I feel like even if we look at Nicora Williams, he's playing on the wing in reserve grade instead of he's a natural center.

[00:40:52] I feel like we've really missed a trick as a club to have that sort of outside back that could help in these sort of situations. So that we don't find ourselves on the situation that we found ourselves on the weekend. So looking at some of the stats, we completed 31 of 40. They were at 40 of 44. They had eight line breaks to two. We had four times the offloads, but didn't really take us anywhere. We missed less tackles than them.

[00:41:21] But yeah, penalty count lost 8-3 at one point, as you've said, was 7-0. Still, it's hard to win games like that when you, yeah, just have that possession against you. And again, we're not ref blaming here even that much. It's a Cronulla thing now. And as you've said, they've got to fix it up. Now, interestingly enough, Friday 6 o'clock. So Suncorp Stadium, Magic Round, Canterbury, Bankstown, Bulldogs.

[00:41:48] In my head, I've noted they've had, am I correct in saying, a 48-hour more time to recover? Two-day window, is that right? They played Thursday. We played Saturday. Yeah. So don't like that for a start. I don't like that at all. That's – I get that's how they do it. But A, I think it's unfair NRL-wide. And B, this got us into a bit of trouble against the Roosters, albeit they had two weeks off and we only had like a six-day turnaround. So a bit different there. But still, they've had two more days.

[00:42:17] Now, we know that the Bulldogs are going terribly. You've reminded us most weeks. The media all week is going to be about this game as far as the negative stuff goes. So you'll see a lot about Canterbury. You'll see a little bit about us. I feel like it'll be more about them than us because they're the bigger club, you know, in media land or whatever. But it's going to get a lot of attention. It's going to be who wants this game more. That's who's going to win. For me personally, I feel like if we can score 18 points, we'll win the game.

[00:42:46] And that's not that many points to score in this day and age. We don't know what team is going to line up for Canterbury or Cronulla, to be fair. Blake Braley, they're going to – I believe they're going to either challenge or look to challenge that ruling about the concussion stand down. We should know more today at some point. At the moment, we don't know. Now, we're expecting Ronaldo and Ramian back. I have to say neither are confirmed, right? Yeah.

[00:43:13] I think Fitzy mentioned that they were both a pretty good chance of next week but didn't lock them in, put it that way. So Ronaldo had this penciled in. It was in his doco and everything about it. And he's been training full contact and I've seen it with my own eyes. He's been training for the past month, right? So he's actually – from the naked eye, he's ready to go. I don't know what's going on with the inner knee and everything but he looks ready to go.

[00:43:40] Jesse Ramian is in a similar spot, less serious injury, where he has been back – I don't know if it's full contact but back training. And he was close last week as Fitzy said. But if it had been one more day, maybe it would have given him a better chance. I think the next week to get ready, that'll be it. So in all likelihood but not confirmed, we have to stress. We'll see those two guys come back. Like, there is a chance that Blake Braley won't be there.

[00:44:09] Now, that's a whole other conundrum. What would you do if Blake is not going to be there? Who would be your hooker? Who would be your backup hooker? I'm going to have to go Jaden Beryl. I don't want to see Cam spending 60 minutes at number nine. So I would have to start with Beryl. And then I would probably look to work out what I do with either Hohepper or Mithcam in some sort of a spell for Beryl.

[00:44:38] Because I feel Beryl is an out-and-out nine. He's been in the system and the club for a number of years. He knows exactly the standards and what we expect from that position. I think he's mature enough. I think he can do a job. It's going to be a real big test for him, though, because he hasn't ever had to take on a starting role at the NRL level. But in saying that, his reserve-grade career is stellar. And it's probably one of the better reserve-grade careers of all time if you actually look at the things that he's done in Queensland Cup.

[00:45:08] Reserve-grade, right? So this is his chance, and this is why we've kept signing him. So I would put my faith in him. I feel like if you put Cam there, he's just going to be a little bit more clunky. And it would free Jesse up to start at lock, and maybe you could have Siffer at 10. But I think the less moving parts that we have without Blake there is probably for the better, especially if you're going to be adding in Ronaldo and Ramian as well. Because, again, that's just going to be a new combination as well, right?

[00:45:36] So I know I've said I'm calling for change, but I think there is also that reality of if you don't have Blake, then you are really limited in what you can actually move the needle on, right? Because we saw it with South on the weekend, and I was sitting there, and I was filthy. I was like, they've got Adam Elliott at hooker, and it just looked terrible. And they were still rolling us, right? So I don't even know what my point is with that. But my point is it was a really disappointing performance on the weekend,

[00:46:04] and we've got to get our things in order to try and solve this issue because we look very flat. I like how Hepa coming in in that role. It's not the role you'd prefer because he's quite creative, but you can still be creative in that position, obviously. I wouldn't rule out – what's the young man's name? Riley Jones in that position as a backup because he has played for whatever reason. Like he's not really a small guy, but he's played hooker. He's played fullback.

[00:46:34] He's found a home at center, to be fair. That's his strongest – his strongest position is center, but he has played some hooker. So that might be something they do, but I would lean towards Hojepa for sure. You'd start Hojepa? No, no, no. I'd go – well, no, I think I'd go Beryl. I'd go Beryl to start just to be safe, and then I'd bring Hojepa and say you can be a bit more creative.

[00:47:00] The problem with McInnes going there to sub Beryl is that you're going to have McInnes – if he's starting, you're going to have him playing 80 minutes. I don't know if he's quite ready. I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't know if he's quite ready. That's why I wouldn't do that necessarily, but Cam would be my third option, and he'd be the guy if everyone goes down or if it's going disastrous, let's just get Cam in there to throw the ball around. We've got Matt Burton probably coming back. He didn't play last week.

[00:47:29] Jacob Karaz might be back. Probably their best player, Tsupanua, will probably be starting next to Lockie Galvin. So they're going to be super hungry. They're going to be super annoyed. The world's out to get the Bulldogs always, but in this case even more so. And fair enough because they've been absolute trash. You know, the Sharks haven't been that much above that some weeks. Yeah, we had a good run against the Raiders and the Warriors and the West Tigers.

[00:47:58] Like we've had some good wins, but we need to turn it around real quick. If they're going to be some sort of force this year, and it's a long year, so I'm not like a lot of people who have just gone, you know, we can't do this, it's all over. I'm not like that at all for good reasons, not for just wishy-washy reasons. But they need to turn it around. They need to cut out all the negative stuff. And you heard that from the coach. Whether he can do it or not, I'm not sure. I hope he can.

[00:48:27] But yeah, I think that this game is huge in so many different ways. Like in a lot of ways it's a very negative game because the Bulldogs are going to – the Bulldogs will want to grind it out. And our Sharkies team this year are not huge fans of the grind if they don't start the grind. I'd be looking very much at – you know, they keep talking about playing shark-like football. It gets a little bit tiresome because we're not quite sure what that means.

[00:48:54] Because when I think of this team, I think of really amazing tries. I think of solid defense. And I think of just, you know, doing what it takes to win. And this year it's been few and far between. So I do think we're in for a bit of an ugly kind of game. But I don't really care as long as we win. And maybe that's what they need. Maybe they need an ugly game. The fact that the Bulldogs have jumped on the front foot and already started talking about the refereeing up in their press conference,

[00:49:25] they're going to be – that's the narrative that the dogs are pushing, right? The world's out to get us. The refs aren't giving us anything. And they're going to try and influence the referees that way. If you look at the style of football they're playing, they look very predictable. They don't have a lot of creativity in their spine. They have a lot of effort players. And they're struggling with the new sort of interpretations. Now, we are also struggling. I'm not going to hide away from that. I feel like we have a lot of questions that we need to answer about ourselves.

[00:49:53] And there are players in our team that at the start of the year would have been expecting to play Origin with the new changes to eligibility. Eligibility. That's the word. That's too early on a Monday for me, mate. But those teams get picked very soon, right? And if they are to try and make those teams, they need – This is the Sunday, Monday, yeah. So if Fenor Blake wants to get into that Blues team, he needs a dominant performance against the Bulldogs, right? Because there is some rumors going around that Laurie Daly's not going to pick him.

[00:50:20] And if you remember last year, everybody was saying, oh, May's going unbelievable. Terrell May's going to play Origin. His stats are great. Daly didn't pick him, right? So if he – Fenor Blake doesn't get picked, it's good for the Sharks. But I don't know what that would do to him mentally because, again, he would have been like, I'm a shoo-in for that. Now, I expect him to get picked, but I think he's got to make a statement in this game so there is no questions around that selection, right? And I look at a guy like Britton Okora who, when these changes were made, he would have looked at that Queensland back row and said,

[00:50:49] I can get in over Kurt Capewell or Ruben Cotter in the second row. And form-wise, he's not even close to taking that jersey, right? So, again, I think he's probably left that run too late. But if he wants to get there for games two and three, he needs to really step up and make a statement because right now, these guys aren't a shoo-in when – at the start of the year when people were making their teams, a lot of people just wrote these guys down because they're like, they're 10 out of 10 players, they'll be there. And I think now it's that statement game to what you said. They need to really make a statement. I want to see a statement.

[00:51:19] Just on the origin thing, and again, I don't make any money out of this even though there might be a cameo in there. Nico does talk about the origin stuff pretty detailed. Hints – it doesn't hint. He tells a story about that. So make sure you watch that for the origin side of things. I don't think it's going to affect AFB either way. He's a pretty cool character. He's very much, I think, centered on his own little universe of family and club.

[00:51:46] And I'm not saying he doesn't want to do it, but I think that if he doesn't get picked, he'll just sort of do the AFB shrug and keep going. I don't think it will mentally affect him as far as I can tell. The flip side is they've probably got a bunch of guys who want to play origin too. I couldn't go through who they are, but they probably do. So this weekend, all clubs probably want to live for that reason, which I personally think is a bit silly. But it's going to be a fascinating game. It's a game we need to win.

[00:52:12] I don't want to tell everyone what's happening next week as far as who we're playing because it affects seemingly the fans and sometimes the players and club. But we don't have a game next week, Kieran, is my point. Oh, no. There is a bye. Oh, no. That's correct, isn't it? Yep. I'm just looking at it now. And then we go into the full family team at home. Yes.

[00:52:37] So we always talk about the bye and then, you know, both as fans and players and club, and we don't do what we're going to say we're going to do with the bye. So let's just not – let's just pretend we're playing Manly next week. Also, what a game that's going to be. Holy heck, Fosball comes to town. That's why it's even more important to win this game, like a four-point turnaround, Kieran. And I've already done the math. It takes us up to – nearer to the top of the table and the bottom,

[00:53:04] and I'm sure that paints over a few cracks, but I don't care. I just want to be somewhere where I want to be, and we'll work on it as we go along. No one's going to – you know what? I don't believe in that whole we beat the Tigers by 50 and then we're all partying down at Cronulla and everything was sweet. Like they watch tape. They know what – they played the game. They know in the first half they weren't that good. The Tigers were winning. Their best player got injured, scoring a try. Our right edge was getting decimated. Like they know that.

[00:53:34] I can't believe that they sat around smoking cigars after the game going, we are the best. Like – so I don't buy into that. And so I think it is something we can keep working on, but it's got to start this week. Yeah, it does because the season is getting away. And we saw this with the Brisbane Broncos a few years ago when they didn't start the season well after Vegas and it just became a bit of a disaster for them, right? And for us, I think the fact that we've already had a buy,

[00:54:01] I think is giving us a little bit of false sense of security because we can say, oh, yeah, we're two points out of the eight, but we've also had our buy. And yes, other teams in the eight have had their buy, but I don't know the latter who below us might not have had their buy yet. But, yeah, I just go – it's not even about where we're sitting at the latter. It's the style of football that we're playing. It's the attitude that we're showing. Four wins, five losses, man. You never want to get below that 50. You want to be well above the 50, but four wins, five losses, that sucks.

[00:54:29] But it's the way that we're losing, though, Sam. And it's points that we're getting speeding. And it's the same mistakes. It's the same getting Hammond on the penalty count. And that's when you see Fitz get really frustrated when he's talking about these things because it's the same things that are happening. So that's where I look at it and I go, okay, well, now it's on you, Fitz, to make some sort of a change to what we've got because you're seeing it. We're seeing it. The players are making those similar mistakes again and again. Something needs to change, right?

[00:54:58] And I look at his demeanor in the last couple of weeks and I look at the fact that he pulled them into the room. You can definitely tell this is somebody who is just as fed up as we are as fans around the staleness of some of these performances, right? So now it's a big job, but I think he can do it. I think he can get them up. The players love and adore him. I think it's now on him to try and fire these guys up because the Bulldogs are coming and the Bulldogs will just try

[00:55:27] and turn this into a, excuse the pun, but a dogfight. Like that's what they're going to do. Absolutely. As bad as they're going, they're very capable of winning this game by two, four points, whatever, and that's how they do things. Maybe it's a field goal. I don't know. And then they'll be out of trouble. On your point about, I've lost it. Anyway, very well said about the coach and what he needs to do. Just looking at where we sit as far as stats attack,

[00:55:55] we're pretty mid-range at the moment. Defensively, we're dropping a bit. We're kind of like, yeah, we're in the sort of top six worst stats for a few things, including line breaks conceded and points and tries, not too bad with missed tackles. Actually, this one you'll be pleased, Kieran. We concede the fourth fewest offloads. You like that? I'm searching for a ray of positivity. I'm not sure that the spark that I need. Penalties.

[00:56:25] So we're getting just under three per game if you do it on averages, just under three per game. How are we only getting three penalties a game? Under three per game. Under three at a point seven in a row. We're conceding the most, which is over six per game. So not only receiving the fewest, we're conceding the most. And as I laugh every week, we do concede the second fewest, ruck infringements. So that's a weird one. So they're disciplined around the ruck,

[00:56:53] but not in the general scheme of rugby league. Now, I know what I was going to say. We did have a referee down at training, I believe, maybe two weeks ago at a training session. So they are trying to address it. And I imagine the coach would have spoken to the referee and the referee's boss about things back then. I don't know if anything else has happened since then.

[00:57:19] Maybe he says something at the press conference the day before the game, which he's slotted in to do every week. I lean towards he won't unless someone asks the question. And I'll leave that hanging in the air for someone to ask the question about penalties. And maybe he'll be primed to say something, although he's very cautious in those press conferences, as we know. So penalties aside, Kieran, we've just got to go out and win the freaking match.

[00:57:49] There's going to be a lot of Sharks fans up there. We've got a lot of Sharks fans in Queensland. They don't get to see the team very often. We've got a lot of Sharks fans going up to Queensland from different places, given its magic round. Just win the damn game, right? Like no matter what, just win. Go win. Yeah, I'll be there. So if anyone sees me, come say hello. Looking forward to it. We'll be wearing our new retro jersey as well for this clash. So again, there's no excuses for them not to be fired up because you can see the excitement in some of those players.

[00:58:18] Like when they were standing there next to Gal and Will Kennedy was in front of the peachy painting. And it was funny because we were literally right there the day before that photo shoot. So it's all on the table for them. And it's that line in the sand moment. And you say that you haven't given up on them yet for this year. I am teetering on that face-off performance, right? I need to see something this weekend that makes me go, okay. But also too, it can't just be this weekend, right?

[00:58:46] We need to see a sustained change in focus, discipline and execution because we do know they have it in them. But the fact is that this year is not the same as the last two years. We are way behind the eight ball. So it's time for them to step up and you get it done. I'm the last person to put expectation and pressure on this club because I don't like doing that to anyone, let alone a football club publicly.

[00:59:12] But they do need to go on a three, four game run to get this out of their system. Remember how to win games and then also make some damage on that ladder. Again, with the ladder, I'm not personally that concerned until later in the year. But the more you win, the higher you get, the better you are. I'll tell you what they need to bring back. And that is that grit and determination from last year, the attitude. We've seen it in very small doses this year, to be fair. But also to be fair, it's not good enough.

[00:59:38] And what we had last year from whenever that round was until, even up until the prelim, like hook it to my veins. That's what being a shark is. That is what being an NRL player is. Like just hook it to my veins, go out there and kick some butt, have some attitude, have some swagger. This team has no swagger at the moment. Get the swagger back. And maybe that's in the number five coming back. I don't know. Is he five or two? Whatever number he is. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know. I think that's going to be huge, yeah.

[01:00:08] I'm sure he'll be significant from that side of things. From a playing point of view, I'm expecting a lot, but not a miracle because he's coming off an ACL. From an attitude point of view, absolutely he'll bring it. But it's up to more than one guy to bring that. Otherwise, you might as well put the C next to his name and make him a lock forward and have him rip and tear. I'm not opposed to it based off what I've seen from this season. But what I will say to people is Ronaldo is going to give away a penalty.

[01:00:34] He's going to give away something for being too aggressive. Now, in that moment, sure, it'll be annoying. And I've just ranted this whole podcast about our penalties and discipline. I will cop that from Ronaldo because I expect him to lift those around him. I expect him to get stuck into people. And I expect him to be in everyone's faces. And he's going to say, well, I'm going to go kick down this front door, follow me. And when he's doing that and they are following him, I think it's a really good sign for us as a club.

[01:01:02] Now, during this week, I'd love to see us embrace some of this 01 to 03 sort of period. You know, we've got guys like Matt Rogers and Martin Lang. Go with 01. Yeah, we've got Matt Rogers and Martin Lang up in Queensland. Like, get them in there. Get them talking about, you know, that 2001 season and the things they did. Get Preston Campbell in there talking to our halves around, you know, what it meant for him when he wore that jersey, right? Like, let's buy into this culture that this club is built around

[01:01:30] because you sort of said, look, what's Sharks football look like in 2026? I don't know the answer to that. And that annoys me at this point of the season, right? So get these old boys in, fire this group up, and let's get the win. I need some water. Someone get me some water. Now, after the buy, and the buy's got their own Instagram account. Have you seen that? They've got over 10,000 followers. They celebrated beating the Dragons. That was quite funny.

[01:01:54] So we have a Friday night primetime game against Manly, the old enemy. And then the week after that, we have the oldest enemy, Sunday, June 7, the big one, 4.05 p.m. at home. And I can't wait for that one every year. But even though I mentioned that game, the big one, the derby, there's actually no easy games, especially when you're playing the way you're playing. So that's why I'm going one week at a time.

[01:02:22] But as I stated before, they need to sort of get a move on and get, even just for their own confidence, get some wins, consistent wins in the bag. So it's going to be an interesting month of footy. I like our chances against the buy, but let's see how we go against the other teams. Starting at Magic Round. But right now, the spotlight is on you, Kieran. We've had a request to bring this segment back. We tend to do it anyway, but when we can, when we remember.

[01:02:48] But someone, not someone, Matt wrote to us. Matt, he wrote to us, and he wants to bring back Random Shark of the Week. So here we go, Random Shark of the Week. He thinks this will stump you. I know you pretty well, and I don't know about that. In fact, I'm confident that not much stumps you when it comes to Random Sharks of the Week. If we've done this one before, disclaimer as usual, then we apologize, but it would have been a few years at least, so we've all forgotten about it probably.

[01:03:18] This gentleman was born on January 2nd, 1989. 1989. So for all you Swifties out there, 1989. This gentleman's junior club was St. Clair Comets. What else can I tell you about this gentleman? He played under-17s for New South Wales and under-15s for Australia, believe it or not.

[01:03:46] He's also listed as a junior for the Penrith Panthers, okay? So 1989 he was born. He played, let's have a look at this. In the Holden Cup, he played 46 games. Captained four times in 2008. So 08, 09, 46 games. What a great time it was.

[01:04:15] Holden Cup, let's bring it back. Not great years, only 10 wins, but that's what he did there. He scored four tries over that two-year period. He only had NRL experience at the one club, and that was for the mighty Cronulla Sutherland Sharks. I feel like I know this one. I don't know why, but I feel like I know this one. Jump in any time you want.

[01:04:44] The sooner you get it, the more impressed. Say that again. Lance and Judo? Is that how you say his name? That's how you say his name, and that's who it is. You're a freak. Yeah, I don't know why. But when you started saying random Sharks player, I always go to two players. I go to Lance and Judo, and I go to Nathan Vag. Those are like my two go-tos. And once you started talking about Penrith and Holden Cup and all that type of stuff, I was pretty confident. But I did think, did he go to the Bulldogs maybe after the Sharks?

[01:05:12] He may have, but he didn't rep as far as I can see here. So three games for the Sharks, two in 2009, the poor bugger, and one in 2010. And I say poor bugger because they just weren't great years. If we look at his entire three-game NRL career, I say that with respect. Unfortunately, all three losses in 2009, he played against the Tigers at Shark Park. Remember the 2009 game against the Tigers in 2009? By chance. I'm trying to think about it.

[01:05:41] Is there any stand-up moments? The scoreline was pretty big. 56 to 10. Mate, that was just the years when the Tigers just beat us up all the time. I couldn't stand it. The next round, round 24, he went up to Rubina, and we lost 20 to 10. And then Lanson made, about a year later, round 19, 2010, lost to Manly 48-18 at Shark Park. So I'm sure he had a great time. I know he really put in. He was a really good player.

[01:06:12] Very, you know, all heart, little hooker. It was one of the best players that we had in that Toyota Cup team at the time. And there was a lot of high hopes for, like, what we could potentially get out of him. Or there was just so much turmoil at the club. And there's so many players you look back and you go, I wonder how they would have fared if there was some stability around the joint. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I remember really positive things. You did think he would have a chance at an NRL career. It didn't seem to happen here.

[01:06:42] Who knows what the circumstances were. Maybe there was injury. Maybe there was – I mean, back then, maybe, I don't know, maybe he got more money in his real job. I'm not sure, but Lance and Judo. Just looking at some of the teams in Holden Cup. Let's go 0-9. Boy, they lost a lot in that year, unfortunately. Let's go to this win, for example, against Parramatta. Oh, already I'm smiling. Benny Orcher at fullback. Come on.

[01:07:09] I wonder what Ben Orcher is up to these days because he was an internet darling. He was the guy that everyone was like, this is the next David Peachy, and he was so fast. He thought he'd become what Val became. Like, that's where I had the expectations. I mean, I had that about Val, but Benny Orcher was very talented in that comp. Joe Rococo. Remember him? We all remember Joe Rococo. Rockin' Joe Rococo. He was a substitute winger for us on this day. Ricky Letelli in the Senators. Chad Townsend at halfback.

[01:07:38] Oh, I remember Big Jake and Anelzak. Is that how you say it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember the other one? Was it John? John Vigas right here. Played 80 minutes. Tranny Grubb was there. Young Kyle O'Donnell. So, yeah, that was a pretty good team. Kyle O'Donnell. Do you remember the uproar when we lost him? And to the Raiders, I think it was. Or maybe it was at the Knights. He went to one of the two. No. I think he played for all those clubs. Yeah. It was a big uproar when we lost him.

[01:08:08] I'm trying to find a centre. You'll be able to tell me straight away. Who was our centre? He may have been a goal kicker as well. Local product. Was it Luke someone? Or am I making that up? And he was very good. Yeah, there's Luke Pickard. Luke Pickard. That's who I'm thinking of. What happened to Luke Pickard? I saw him playing for the Jets like a handful of years ago. Yeah. Like, I feel like he was, he popped up somewhere. And I was like, wow. Playing park footy and then he came to play for the Jets or something. I'm not sure.

[01:08:36] But I feel like I saw him somewhere pop up somewhere. Hey, my brother raised an interesting question to me. Maybe you have not been warned about this question. When was the last time you would say Cronulla had two gun centres? Now, to be fair, he's referring to like McGoran and Eddie Cousin. So he's gone to like 10 out of 10 because I mentioned Letelli and Bird and he went, well, pretty good. But when was the last time we had some centres aside from those two pairings, do you reckon? Like, where they're both really good.

[01:09:06] I definitely take the point because Raymond and Iroh is not on that level. But I would argue that they are better than an average NRL starting centre. This wasn't a shot on anyone. It's just, it's more just like elite. Yeah, yeah. Like two Australian players. Oh, it's a long time. And there was a long period there where we were just, yeah, it was bad. We were in our hopes of one good centre and just hopefully that that one guy could get us across the line.

[01:09:33] And we went out and spent all that money on Wungana if we didn't pass in the ball for three years. Then we put him at 5'8". I liked the Wungana years, but yeah, they weren't amazing. But I liked him and I liked him at our club and he was fun to watch. But it was just a shame it didn't go better as a club, you know? I think that was a top three signing in terms of hype that I've ever been in since I was a Sharks fan because he had every single thing that we didn't have.

[01:10:00] Did he play 5'8 and fullback a little bit for us from time to time as well? He wasn't just a centre. He definitely played 5'8". I can't remember if he played fullback, but I remember, I think he was 5'8 the day we beat Manley by like 60 points or whatever. And then everyone was like, oh, he's just got to be our 5'8 forever. And then we started to make dykes coming off the bench. It was just really strange. But yeah, we've gone very off topic from Lance and Judo. We have. All respect to Lance and Judo.

[01:10:28] If anyone is listening who knows him or actually, well, yeah, so Matt, who requested it, went to school with him. I don't think they were still in contact necessarily, but he went to school with him. He was confident he would stump you. And he said that. He won't mind me saying that. But even I replied. I went, I don't know, man. I think we might, you know. The heart, look, I mean, I'm really opening myself up here to be a bit vulnerable, but he's around my age, right? So where you're going to get me is if players from the early 90s and all that type of stuff are up. I've got absolutely no idea, right?

[01:10:58] But especially that like 07 through like 2012 when it was just like, what are we watching here? And we just were getting players out of everywhere. Remember we had Michael Wayman's brother as a front row. I think he's been a random shark of the week too. Tim. Was it Tim? I think so. Yeah. Like, especially even that season where we had all the suspensions. And I think, I can't remember the name of the player who said it. Tim played one game in 09. There you go. Was that the same game? I think it was.

[01:11:28] Oh, there you go. There you go. But I think it was Wade Graham said that, you know, he was turning up to training and he didn't know the players' names that were training with him now because we were just getting players from everywhere. So. Who said that, Wade Graham? I think it was Wade Graham. It was somebody in that sort of period or maybe it was for feet or somebody like, I can't remember who it was, but somebody said, yeah, I was going to training with guys that we just didn't know. And it wasn't fair to them. So Tim Wayman's only NRL game was one of three for Lance and Judo. Big loss to the West Tigers, unfortunately. Definitely. So there, it's linked.

[01:11:57] Your brain is linked to random sharks. There's a direct line. Jack Bosden. Remember the hype? Yeah. I was hyping that guy. I was hyping that guy big time. And then he went to the Roosters and was like, this is ridiculous. The Roosters are stealing our players again. Didn't he end up going to the drags as well or making that up? I think he did. I think he played for a couple of different ones. But in terms of lower graders, I think my favorite, there's two favorites I've got in terms of lower graders that played for the Sharks that had astronomical hype.

[01:12:26] And I won't include David Simmons and Keith Galloway in that because David Simmons, that people were saying, was the next Darren Lockyer. Keith Galloway was going to be the next Gordon Tallis. That's what people were saying. But around that era, we also had Reece Lovegrove, I think it was. Yeah. And Russell Aiken. And that funny story where the Melbourne Storm thought they were signing Matt Hilder and then they ended up signing Russell Aiken. And then he played for the Grand Final. He played in the Grand Final because I know he played against us, but he played in the Grand Final.

[01:12:52] Jack Bosden played for both the Dragons and the Roosters four games each at the NRL level, which I'd sort of forgotten about. 2011, 2012. But the big thing was he went to the Dragons. So he was shocked through and through. If I look at his junior club, Cronulla Caring Bar, and he was like, kind of like where you're looking at like a, who's the guy this year everyone's talking about? Tom Dello, I think, in FLEG or SG or whatever it is. Jack Bosden was one of those guys. He was captain of everything.

[01:13:23] He carried himself like an NRL footballer when he was 16. Like he was pretty impressive. But I remember he did have a lot of injuries. I remember that very well. But I remember thinking like, how could someone like that go to the Dragons? You're black, white, and blue, brother. I understand it's a paycheck, but boy.

[01:13:41] Well, it's up there with the heartbreak I felt when Daniel Dumas left us and went to the Sydney Roosters because that for me was a day where I, not quite like where I remember where I was when Jack Byrd signed with the Broncos in front of the elephant enclosure at Toronto Zoo. That's right. But that day when Daniel Dumas signed with the Roosters, I couldn't believe it. And who was the other guy that was, we had the two French internationals. It was Daniel Dumas and the winger, the Pele. They ended up playing first grade for the Canberra Raiders.

[01:14:11] First name Pele or? Dimitri Pele. Dimitri Pele, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Those two French internationals were coming through at the same time and we thought they were going to change our club. And to be fair, they were great players in the lower grade. And it just, for whatever reason, I was probably going back to that stability point. Speaking of my brother, one of his favorite players at the time was Daniel Dumas. He played 15 games for us at the NRL level, but he didn't play for the Roosters. He didn't cut the mustard over there.

[01:14:40] And let me just look up your mate. Was it Pele, really? Is that his last name? Dimitri Pele. P-E-L-O, I think. Oh, L-O. I'm not 100% sure. Dimitri Pele. Here he is. Pele. So, five games for the Raiders in 2012. Yeah. But if you go to, oh, I haven't got, did he play Cup Forest? What did he do? It was back in the old Jersey flag days. Yeah, right.

[01:15:06] So, I think that was around when like Andrew Dallana was like at halfback and Travis Burns was around. And those two were in different years. But I remember watching, oh, no, maybe they played together. But, yeah, I remember watching a game against Manly in the under-20s. And those, the half combination, Dallana was part of that. Absolutely tore them apart, right? So. Interesting. There you go. Random shark of the week. Down memory lane we go, my friend. If only it was all memories and not current form.

[01:15:35] But that's okay. We can turn around this week against the Bulldogs. Have to. Must. And we can't wait for it. It'll be Friday before you know it, Kieran. When are you flying up? Friday? Flight Friday. I get in around 1 o'clock. And then off to the game that night. So, I'll be around Caxton Street if anyone's around. And then I think Maloney has an event on like 10 a.m. on a Saturday. So, I'm going to go head to that with some of my friends from high school.

[01:16:04] And then back home Sunday for lunch. Now, Maloney was in town, A-Town yesterday playing footy. And our listener, Corey, was sending me photos and selfies with him. And so, I don't know if it was a one-off appearance or if he's playing for someone. And that team came to his town. But Corey got a selfie with Maloney afterwards. Yeah. So, what I think he does is he does like these gentleman lunches. And we had one in the Shire a few months back with Lattimore and that.

[01:16:33] And basically, I think – I don't know if this is what he's doing this year. But I've heard him talk about it on his podcast before that he'll go to like a local town, do some fundraising for them. And then he'll play a game for the local team. There was a clinic, I believe, as well. A clinic. Yeah, yeah. He does clinics and all that type of stuff too. So, yeah, it's great to see him giving back. And it's great to see that he's still running around and playing. Because if you're just a kid in some of these regional areas and you get an NRL player like that,

[01:17:00] not just any NRL player, like an international won competitions, it's pretty cool, right? It would stay in the memory banks of a lot of kids too. So, good on him for doing that. Yeah, there are going to be a lot of Sharks fans at Magic Round, but every man and his dog is heading up there and woman and their dog as well is heading up there, to be fair. So, a big event. The Sharks need to rise, my friend. Got to win. Got to win. What's your plan if – I'm not suggesting we're not going to win.

[01:17:28] But knowing you, what's our plan if we don't win? Straight back to the hotel. Watch the hour in bed. My friends that I'm going with, one of them is a trainer for the Dolphins. So, he'll be at that game and then my other friend, his brother is a Souths fan. So, we'll be watching that game and I'll have to sit there and – Oh, so it's a Souths-Dolphins clash, is it, afterwards? Pretty good Souths and Dolphins. I know Souths definitely play the next game after us. But, yeah, I'm not too sure. Yeah, Souths and Dolphins, right?

[01:17:57] So, basically my friend group, we're going to get everything out of the way on the Friday night and we'll see how Saturday goes. I don't think we've even got tickets for Saturday. Maybe we do, maybe we don't. But, just basically having some beers with some friends because it's what it's like. You don't really see these people and the Magic Round is a great excuse to get together with your old group of friends. I thought Vegas was too and then, like, friends didn't answer the phone, friends didn't reply to messages. We're exaggerating. We saw each other. Just an exaggeration. We'll talk to you soon, my friend.

[01:18:27] We'll talk to everyone else sooner. We've got some episodes planned for the week, of course. So, stick with us. Subscribe, like, share. All that kind of stuff helps. I have to say, Kieran, I get asked more often than not, do more people listen after a loss or after a win? It's certainly very circumstantial with our podcast, thank God. It's very consistent. There's not a huge drop-off either way. People just like to tune in and I thank the Lord, whatever Lord that may be. I shouldn't say the Lord. I thank everyone for their loyalty.

[01:18:56] But I've got to say, the numbers after the game on the weekend against Souths were pretty good. And I'm not one to talk about numbers, but I was like, oh, a lot of people are either unhappy and or want to have their say. It was really good. And I know all the other pods were doing stuff at the same time and having, I would imagine, the same kind of success. So, that's the answer, I guess, short-term or my most recent answer is people tune in when we don't win.

[01:19:25] It's hard to do these podcasts when there's not a lot of good, positive things to talk about. And I know sometimes, and I say it, you get hammered all the time for being the positive person and Mr. Happy Clacky Chucks fan. But I know you very well, and I know that you're not like that. That's right. And it's funny too, because I'll actually sit there and have some of these conversations with you where I'll press it, and you're agreeing with me, and you are speaking in not the most positive light. But then people will still have this narrative, oh, Sam's being positive. And it's like, did you actually listen to what he said?

[01:19:55] Or are you going off something from three years ago? But yeah, I digress. One person, and I got a little bit snappy, and I didn't apologize, but I got a bit snappy. And I don't even know the tone that this person wrote it. So, it might've been a joke. And I took it the wrong way, because I was annoyed at everything after the game. But someone said, are you going to keep talking about how great the club is or whatever? And I was like, that's a really inappropriate thing to say in this moment of time. The world's ending, and you're having a shot at me? Like, give me a break. The world is ending.

[01:20:24] Have you seen this stuff about UFOs? Being your friend, we're close friends. You and I communicate a lot, which I'm grateful for. I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be that way. I'm surprised that I haven't, is the answer. So, they've released some documents in the States where basically they are confirming these multiple sites. They've got videos of all these different things. The theory is that these UFOs are not actually UFOs.

[01:20:50] They're actually future humans that live in the ocean that are coming back to get materials or whatever the case is and keeping an eye on us so we don't blow each other up. They're a future human. Yeah. Explain that. Well, this is one of the theories is that they are future humans from, you know, centuries ahead of us, like thousands and thousands a year, and they come back and they keep an eye on us to make sure that we don't blow up the planet and all that type of stuff. They're not doing a very good job.

[01:21:19] Some of the stuff that you're seeing is, like, it's unbelievable. And, like, people are going down these rabbit holes with reptilians, the greys, the Nordics. Like, and now it's all my Instagram feed is just this. And it's, like, these really bad AI videos of, like, this unconvincing, bald, big-eyed creature doing an interview. And it's, like, hey, if that's an alien, it wouldn't sit there and answer your questions on an interrogation lie detector test. Come on. That's what Costanza said. Like, bring it on, you know. Imagine how they're going to look.

[01:21:49] They'll all be bald. And, you know, like, he'll look like Tom Cruise compared to them. Well, the theory is they're bald because they live in this sort of future that's basically we don't – we're using AI for everything and we're underground and we're in oceans and all that type of stuff. But, again, if you were – Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's it got to do with balding? Well, because you're not getting sunlight and all that type of things, right? So, basically, the evolution of humans will basically do it.

[01:22:15] So, you know, actually balding, if you are a bald man, you are more evolved than a less – a man with a lot of hair. That's the theory. Because, again, the theory is that we came from, you know, monkeys or whatever the case is. So, if you have no hair, then you are further away from that. That's if you believe that. I don't know if I believe that. But I do believe that there are – there's going to be some crazy stuff with aliens that come out the next few weeks.

[01:22:41] And it's weird that they – this stuff comes out right now as this Hentavirus is going on on a boat. I saw that. Somebody's done something with a rat or something. I don't know. But if we go on another lockdown, mate, I will go stir crazy. I need my football. You might become a future alien if we go in the lockdown. Well. How do you become a future alien? How do you do it? How do you sign up to be a future alien living in the ocean? Well, they're going to want to keep you, I think. That's the big thing. What do you bring to the table, right?

[01:23:09] I mean, you've got a great Sharks podcast, so that's a start. But are they interested in rugby league? Well, Peter Volandis would tell you they absolutely are, right? So, maybe we'll have a game on the death star. Well, there's UFC at the White House, so. Hey, that's coming up real soon. I think I saw Matty Johns is heading over to that too, so. Without getting political at all because we don't like to divide people on the show, can I just say, that's a stretch too far, the old UFC on the, I'm not American.

[01:23:34] I don't have any allegiance to America, but even I go, doesn't that represent something to you guys and you're going to have an octagon with two dudes going for it? The only thing I worry about, and again, it doesn't matter what side you sit on for politics or anything like that, I just worry about, like, these sort of events in public that are very outdoors always can bring out people and the worst of people, right? So, I wouldn't be doing anything like that that's outdoors and, you know, very in people's faces, right? Because it's going to get people from both sides that don't like each other.

[01:24:03] Well, they had a dinner and it got indoors, you know? So, anyway, let's not go. Let's go back to the future aliens. Yeah. I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff on this after this, by the way, and I'm going to ruin your algorithm too. I'm just looking forward to the people writing to me about the aliens and what their thoughts on the aliens are, and more specifically, their thoughts on you and the aliens. Well, COVID has turned me into a conspiracy theorist, right? I would argue you were probably that before COVID. Fair?

[01:24:30] I definitely was sceptical of a lot of things, but since then... Because when did you and I start bonding? Was it before that or just around that? So, I first moved to the Shire in 2019 and I took me into this... What was our intimate first coffee? Wild shenazzy. The coffee, mate. We're not talking about the wild shenazzy, but the coffee. No, the first coffee would have been like 22, I think. So, many years... Really? I had Amelia at the time, so I had my second daughter as well. Okay. So, post-COVID. Post-COVID. So, I've become friends with you post-COVID. Yeah.

[01:25:00] We were talking during COVID. I'm going to say yes, pre-COVID, you were still into a bit of a conspiracy. Am I wrong? I love a good conspiracy. There you go. Well, there's all sorts of ones with... Yeah. I'm not going to get into them right now because I don't want to get this cancelled. Well, we did say all things Kronos Sharks and other things that come to mind. I do remind people that, you know, people say, you know, good things about this show and they say, oh, sometimes you go off on a bit of a... And I'm like, well, that's the whole idea.

[01:25:25] Like, we're having a coffee and sometimes the coffee shop, we talk about Dimitri Pello. Sometimes we talk about Dan Housen and sometimes we talk about Aliens. That's how it goes. Well, again, if it comes out in the next few weeks, because they're going to release more stuff, right? If they just come out, there's aliens that are here. Like, how is that going to make everybody feel? Because we're worried about interest rates and all that type of stuff. I mean, it's going to change everybody's perception of everything. I was going to say before, I've got to tell you, my favourite kind of alien, I definitely

[01:25:54] lean towards reptilian. That's my kind of... I hope they're reptilian. My favourite one is the giant women from Futurama, Death by Snoo Snoo. But that probably tells you a little bit too much about me, really. All right. So, Kieran, we'll talk to you soon, my friend. It's been a pleasure as always. This has been SharkastPod. Catch up with Kieran over coffee about Grinola and other things, of course. We'll sign off, Kieran. Appreciate you. Talk to you soon. Everyone else, up, up. Have a good week.

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