Flagship/Mailbag Episode with Sam Shinazzi and Jardian Ormsby

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[00:02:56] My name is Sam Shinazian OG from 2015 been supporting the team for much longer than that and This is a Sharkcast pod and it's a not a rare day when we have this young man on but it's a special day

[00:03:10] Always when he's on he's the busiest man in the world come back home. He's come back to the KO foxtel corporation He's pretty much running the show. It's like Rupert then it's Jardian and he's also our good buddy He's a longtime

[00:03:24] Shark cast that he used to work for the club and he's worked for the NBL and he's done all sorts of things He's got lovely family. He's a bit of a basketballer and

[00:03:34] He's got a great hat collection Jardian. Welcome back to Sharkcast pod my friend. Thank you for the warm welcome I always appreciate the welcomes that you give they always make me feel better about life generally. Thanks for having me back

[00:03:46] It's a pleasure. So yeah, we are here to talk about all things sharks We do have a bunch of mail to get through which is gonna be

[00:03:51] The bulk of the episode because a lot of mail to get through we are sitting at equals second third on the ladder We head into the glorious by week. We all need it

[00:04:00] The team needs that the coach needs that the fans need it. So this is where we're headed We're enjoying the week off. I believe back in the training Today or tomorrow though Jardin which is which is for the best given the way we're going

[00:04:12] Lost three of the last four, which is a bit disappointing So Jardian let's get some initial thoughts from you about the the team where they're at we're halfway through the year

[00:04:20] Yeah, I think if you were to tell me at the start of the year that we would be halfway through the season Equal second on the ladder and really not all that far from first

[00:04:30] If you were to tell me that we would have been leading the competition for most of that first half of the year I've taken it. I've been very happy at the start of the season and

[00:04:41] For where we are right now if I was to give us a grade I would probably Give us either an a-minus or a b-plus because we're very good team we play when we're at our best we play an excellent brand of football and

[00:04:58] We and now I feel confident now that On any given night we can step onto the field and beat anyone in this competition That is not something I felt like I could say

[00:05:11] Last year but between the results that we've had this season against good teams in good positions on the ladder both at home and away Boys have stepped up and they have taken their game though. Not flawless by any means to a new and different level though

[00:05:29] Even though we're having this conversation off the back of a relatively Unpleasant experience down at shark park against the Dolphins in the grand context Sam of the overall season It's hard for me to be all too disappointed about where we are the whole point of

[00:05:46] the regular season the leading up to the finals is to get into the top four and to establish Establish yourself against the premier teams in the competition and we are Picking the boxes on both if not dominantly on the last yeah completely agree

[00:06:02] And I think that there's been a lot of change since the end of last year We've learned how to beat the bigger teams play under adversity we've just got a

[00:06:13] Get on top of those slow starts every now and then which seemed to pop up in the in the I guess most Untimely ways we really wanted to win this one go into the bio with two points

[00:06:24] Didn't happen and almost did but the reason there was because of the slow start tell me I'm gonna just shoot this one at you Who's impressed you the most this year? I've been impressed with and this is hard to say but

[00:06:39] Again off the back of the weekend that we just saw but I really do think Lou Kennedy is Is it has established himself as one of the first names on the sheet that really becomes hard to take off or even think? about

[00:06:52] moving there now wills game is very interesting to me in the sense that it isn't particularly flashy and It isn't particularly The knockout super coach scores that you're hoping to get from it from your fullbacks there But in what we've seen

[00:07:11] He just appears to be the person that anchors so much of the good stuff that happens With the team on both sides of ball as well When it comes to the back three and when it comes to how we look against How we look fielding downward pressure

[00:07:31] He seems to be the most comfortable if I'm a halfback or a 5a from another team. I'm definitely hitting a tour and Ronaldo before I'm hitting will with the kick he is Done he has done a really good job of that

[00:07:47] There have been I mean I didn't actually think about this question Sam I'm going thinking as I go here, but I guess that also I was really impressed with the first half of Jesse's first half of the season. He really came out and

[00:08:03] established himself as one of as someone that we Are lucky to have in that position though. Also not being flawless in and on himself And then obviously the person who I just am falling in love with more and more every day as a footballer is

[00:08:20] Can McGuinness he has just been one of the most important signings that we have made and his quality as both a football player a leader and a teammate has proven to be so instrumental in the strong start that we've had to the years, so

[00:08:39] Those there have been other performances obviously big Tom has caught my eye this season I've been really impressed by by what I've seen there in the last few weeks Rosie Hunt has obviously come out as being quite a destructive in a positive way runner of the ball

[00:08:55] And and those those have been my my key my key standouts Sam Is that all too similar to you or all too dissimilar? Maybe I'm with you on Will Kennedy particularly

[00:09:06] I do think that despite a quiet game on the weekend. I think Blake Braley has really come out of his shell There's a way to go which we keep talking about but I think that overall

[00:09:18] certainly an important part of the puzzle that is the crown of shark and Overall again hard to say after the weekend, but I think the forward pack is really as one Stepped into a new zone. They weren't even hitting close last year. So

[00:09:33] Overall, I'm pretty impressed. I think the coach is doing a pretty good job I think he's made some changes to the way he coaches this year and and and the results and particularly that that defense It's hard to say that after conceding 22 points in 25 minutes

[00:09:48] Whatever, but generally speaking the mentality to go out there. I think that I think everyone's doing a pretty good job I'm not gonna say a super job, but a pretty good job and I'm comparing it to last year

[00:09:58] That's what that's what I'm comparing it to because we were like this has to change this has changed Everything's kind of changed that we wanted hasn't been week to week, but it's been most weeks as you said so

[00:10:11] Overall, I'm sitting. I'm sitting. Okay. I'm not sitting okay with the three out of Four losses of late. I think the slow starts which have only been say only there's been probably what four or five But the particularly last few at home Pretty concerning so

[00:10:29] Fix that up and you're right on track Yeah, I think that's a good shout and then I'm glad that you spoke about it as well I didn't mention it's but I've also I would add him to my list of

[00:10:39] That I've been impressed with as well and it's not so much in the style that we play Sam it's probably more in the In the willingness to shift people around if they're not performing yeah, which I think we're seeing Yeah, and which has been good

[00:10:57] sometimes felt in the past as though it was reluctant would be reluctant to move people out of position if they if they were underperforming and I believe we've seen a little bit more of that this year and it's led to

[00:11:12] To better results and they also have a little bit better depth as well this year Jardin Which is something we don't talk about a lot, but the depth is really good speaking at depth

[00:11:20] Newtown shark jets they lost 1612 against North last week, but they've been having a pretty good year Guys like Billy Burns who a fringe first-grader is absolutely killing it and ready to step up if needed

[00:11:33] The flag team had another win. They won 34 20 against the storm before the NRL game on Thursday night So that's pretty good young fella called Dylan Kautz keeps impressing everyone He plays trains with the NRL squad on a weekly basis, so there's some guys coming through there

[00:11:51] Which we'll be seeing in the next few years I want to talk to you about a couple subjects where we hit the letters Jardin and we will hit the letters real soon

[00:12:00] We're going to talk about origin which is a huge deal to you. But when I say origin I'm talking about shark origin. We've seen Nicko Hines miss out completely in the squad

[00:12:11] Much to my shock and if you follow us on the socials go look on the Instagram at least it was put it somewhere else a few videos about my thoughts on Ken McKinness not making the

[00:12:21] 17 let's start with the king of carrying by Nicko Hines and what there is a lot of mail about this Jardin So we won't stick on too long. But what were your thoughts? Did you think he had any chance? To be selected again for game two

[00:12:33] I thought he did but it was less to do With anything that he did and more to do with the fact that I watched the Parramatta Eagles play the last couple of weeks as well Sam and All the things that we appear to be criticizing Nicko for

[00:12:48] Weren't isolated to him. They're not unique Disappearing acts to to him when it comes to The finishing off those games making the right reads on the right things the person who has replaced him in the team

[00:13:01] Had moments as well over the last couple of weeks where it didn't particularly look like they were as assertive all the same I wasn't surprised I probably expected that to happen the way that

[00:13:16] Things were coming out of the media. Sometimes you hear things from certain media personalities that you know I connected yeah through the inner sanctum and it just seemed to indicate that that was going to be the situation

[00:13:29] I was still disappointed by the news when I first heard it and it probably has dampened my enthusiasm for the series this this year and and I felt Disappointed extremely disappointed for the Nico on the back of that news

[00:13:48] Partially because I just want him to succeed so much that when things like this happen It just feels like it's happening to one of your one of your children almost that you you've been you're hoping for the best for but The other part of the disappointment is that?

[00:14:06] He has now had two origin opportunities One of those opportunities came at the very end of the game where the momentum had already lost and he was played out of position and Like again, I don't know what he's supposed to do in that in that shorter span there

[00:14:24] That was that first one and then ultimately paid price or for that fast forward to this Series where it looks like it could be a little bit more of an opportunity We're not coming off the bench in a utility position. We're naming him in his preferred position

[00:14:41] To play outside of someone that he's semi-familiar with going back to juniors. Yeah, junior juniors I was looking forward to seeing what he could do on that big stage at home

[00:14:54] I thought having game one at home was a huge boost to someone who had something to prove there I was excited about that But again, you lose one of your strike weapons as a blues team in the first six minutes of the game and you're playing

[00:15:10] 74 minutes down a man. I just feel like there's being two times that Nico has taken the pitch for the Blues and neither time he's had a real opportunity to Do what most normal halfbacks would do which

[00:15:25] Which is disappointing to me. So whilst I wasn't surprised by the decision I was I was bitterly disappointed for him and and don't get me wrong. There's there's parts here that I Love I love Nico But there are parts here that are on him too

[00:15:41] Yeah in terms of the select and in the terms that with the things there So it's not like he was blameless in all this But I but I really do still feel that it's hard to judge someone in scenarios like

[00:15:54] Heinz has been put into and that's that's what hurt there Yeah, and I agree like I thought I think he's in lights out form obviously But like you look at this final score blew out a little bit because they're playing 12 men for 74 minutes

[00:16:06] That's the only reason it blew out if it was closer. I think if Nico had a slightly better game He might have been a slightly better chance But you know how brutal this selection process is they're just out to if you don't win they're out to get you

[00:16:21] So it is disappointing for him. What did you make him McKinness? That one really kind of shocked me So that was strange to me Cam I thought made some solid contributions to the Blues team on that night the way that and and he can be a little

[00:16:35] bit like will Kennedy in the sense that Very little of what he does is flashy, but it's often very time It's often very crucial to flow and to movement Yeah, and I don't remember what the final stats were but his tackling

[00:16:52] Per minute rate seemed as good on origin night as it ever is. Yeah surprised there that they Have made that choice I understand that cam Murray comes in on the bench or maybe even starting whatever it is

[00:17:07] And he's a former captain and I get all that but he's back after one game I know cam would take it a lot better probably than the halfback might But I still feel for him as a guy who really

[00:17:20] Like there's no one who puts in more than him week to week for us So that's I feel a bit upset for him And it is disappointing when you the way that if the team sheet reads when you do when you think about

[00:17:31] Who's in the team? Who's not in the team who got dropped? Yeah, who got brought in? Yep Lineup seems to suggest that the blame has been pinned on the Sharks boys

[00:17:43] The Sharks have lost three out of four. They're in bad form. Let's get rid of the Sharks boys That's what it was So screams at me kind of like when you look at the team sheet to the S goes not there

[00:17:52] But he was only in the team in the first place because Edwards was out and it was his back So that makes sense which rolls there this time, but also he's there for a purpose as well which has nothing to do with with

[00:18:06] Anything other than the suspension that was there and You go down the list and it kind of feels as though the the people who have been isolated as the acts But the optional outs not the forced changes with the shots boys and that just seems

[00:18:22] Quite disappointing, especially if you're a shot. All right last bit of news before we hit the letters Jardine and we are on Vegas watch and we're recording at a certain time of the week and At the moment there's no news on Vegas

[00:18:40] We know that the Vegas news may drop in the next day or two It could get pushed back to earlier next week. I'm not 100% sure on that But we're still in with a chance of going which is for someone like me is exciting

[00:18:55] But someone else you know, everyone's got their own opinion and what's good and what's not good. So we are waiting on that We don't have any further news. We have had a bit of mail about that. What's happening?

[00:19:03] Yeah, the idea but I would say just stay tuned because there should be some news either way Shortly, that's kind of all we can say on that but Jardine as far as the Sharks Potentially go to America. Is that a good thing in your eyes?

[00:19:18] Is it a positive negative in between II depends on the numbers that are being reported in the press? It seems as though if you're the home team and you're going to Vegas economically Yeah, that's a fantastic. Yeah, that's it. That's a great get

[00:19:33] If you have a traveling team, if you're the away team, maybe not so awesome, so I don't know how the financials break down but I will say that I was

[00:19:44] I'm now one month removed from working at the NRL and I know the time and the effort that goes into Vegas and to all the other major events, but in more recent times Vegas has been a

[00:19:56] Something that when you walk down the hallways and the corridors of the NRL when it's around Vegas time Everyone's all in on everything there. It's an excitement. There's a buzz and That is replicated by all accounts from people who were there this year That's that enthusiasm and

[00:20:18] General carnival type atmosphere is replicated when you're there in Vegas so my advice to shark stands would be that if this news ends up holding up and the sharks are going to Vegas and You're in a position to be able to experience that

[00:20:37] Why I've heard nothing but good reports from mates that went over this year From colleagues at the NRL who went over this year By all reports. It was a fantastic experience and probably one of those Once-in-a-lifetime sporting

[00:20:52] Opportunities to it. It's not very often. Yeah that we will play overseas in scenarios like that So why not make it? Alright, we'll stay tuned on that as I've been saying all along it's not locked in yet So if you've got your bag packed, that's fine

[00:21:07] If you've got your ticket booked to make sure it's a refundable one in the off chance It doesn't all go through but we're we're hopeful for the club that it will we'll stay tuned on that one

[00:21:18] Jardine let's get through to the mail and there's a fair bit to get through and we're gonna give it some good time But also respectfully I've had to edit it down a little bit

[00:21:26] It's kind of all over the shop emotionally and and and topic wise so we'll do the best we can here to keep it entertaining for everyone which it will be because they're great

[00:21:36] Correspondence and great letters will just start at the top here judge. I might jump around a little bit but First one is from Wade and Wade says It's not an excuse, but I heard Craig Bellamy say about Melbourne a few weeks ago about the five-day short turnarounds

[00:21:52] And so in our case we played magic round in Brisbane short five-day turnaround Traveling back to Sydney and we got belted by Paneruth We played Brisbane in Brisbane now if you travel back to Sydney for a short five-day turnaround

[00:22:05] Started very flat again surely this affects the players in some way even though they wouldn't admit it So Craig Bellamy's talking about it Wade's talking about it. We're gonna talk about it Jardine Now you've worked in the inner sanctum of Sporting teams in particular our beloved team

[00:22:21] Did you ever experience a five-day turnaround from memory that have Thursday night footy back then for example? I think they did and it was Yeah Then as well who we were a popular candidate Yeah, because sure Monday night that the NRA quite liked and then we would be

[00:22:37] backing up on the earlier half of the weekend after that So it's a real thing but in the examples that that way it is pulled up here It sounds like the problem is probably not the five-day turnaround

[00:22:50] The problem is that we play way better in Brisbane than we do in Sydney at the moment That seems it's something that is a weird. I don't know if it's correlation or causation But that seems to be something there starting flat

[00:23:04] Yeah, it would impact that but I don't think it's the only reason it impacts that we've been starting flat even on seven days rest Yeah Time so there's definitely something to be said there, but hopefully We can we can snap out of that

[00:23:19] My expectation is that we're not the only team who has those turnarounds and we won't be doing anything that has them there'll be teams after us who have those here and If you're gonna be a top team, you know learn how to deal with that

[00:23:30] Yeah for sure all I'll say on that is as someone who who want to you know weekly bi-weekly Occurrence I get to go down to media day which turns into bit of training watching and that kind of thing

[00:23:43] The five-day turnaround absolutely messes with the structure of their week So they might get one proper session in and then have a captain's run, which is pretty light comparatively usually so The short five-day turnaround can mess with or does mess with your training

[00:24:03] Situation and then when you have things like a five eight who suspended and then a young guy comes in and then your Halfbacks out there's not a lot of time to get your head around it mentally physically especially to be in those situations where you train so

[00:24:20] That's where I think the biggest issue is the wear and tear on the body Is something and I've asked the players this and they say that it's noticeable, but also you'd rather get it over and done with

[00:24:32] But yeah, I think I think it is a factor, but you can't blame it on it. That's for sure Yeah, and I don't remember who said this I think it was an assistant coach that we had once upon a time, but I remember him saying

[00:24:43] the five-day part of This whole thing is not is not necessarily the challenge the challenge is when it's five days and you're traveling as So and we have done that we've gone Sydney Brisbane Sydney because because Brisbane they're leaving the next morning most cases

[00:25:01] So that's that's kind of another day gone. They might do recovery when they get back, but that's it Thanks, Wade. Next up is Blake. I Can see players get lost in big moments and sadly I think Nico is one of them

[00:25:12] And so Blake was pretty critical of Nico last week and I did edit that down a little bit He did say he's on Nico's side, but he doesn't really believe That in those big moments, he's gonna get it done. There are a few other

[00:25:27] Letters like that which we may or may not get to but Jardine is Nico a big-time player I think he has capacity and potential to be a big-time player But I don't think we've seen it consistently in those big moments

[00:25:41] Yeah, and that comes from someone who was rooting so hard in Nico to succeed in this role So I feel I feel bad saying that but if that is my reality on this at the moment

[00:25:53] And if I try and deny my reality of what I've seen then I would just be doing a disservice to myself and So I think Blake is is not being overly critical. I think that is The situation at the moment there have been times whether it's

[00:26:09] moments this season moments last season where there were there was a point to be made and it's tricky because Big game moments can really define a person's career in some of these things

[00:26:22] The problem with big game moments is that if you if you don't take advantage of enough of them people rapidly forget all the good things you do in the not big game moments and and Nico is splendid and continues to

[00:26:39] Generally speaking be one of the better halfbacks in the competition by a long mile when we're kind of not in those in those big game moments, but again, that's all good, but The the Nico that we would like to see is the one that can command before 80

[00:26:58] Whether it's big game close game small game and we're not there yet with him. I think also that when you Don't make the most of a big game moment So we'll say the Dolphins kick to level it up, which I think is somewhat

[00:27:15] Unfair because it is the hardest kick for a kicker of his foot on that side of the field at that ground I'm not gonna judge the win-loss on that could he have leveled up. Absolutely. It would have been a huge moment for him

[00:27:28] Right, so I'm not saying it wasn't a moment, but I also think it's unfair to judge him on that But say we judge him on that one People then forget the last big moment

[00:27:36] He had the roosters game up at Sun Corp on one leg guides us around has a great game People forget the game against Paramata last First year where he won the game with a clutch kick. There are moments in his career and that's only true

[00:27:49] I know that I think there is more but they're moments that people forget. Yeah, absolutely He had the field goals. Yes, then he kicked as well I think you're only as good as your last big moment and in Nico's case. I

[00:28:03] Think the roosters game was a huge moment for us, but that was a team effort. Don't get me wrong But he was fantastic in it But I understand this as well but it's just one of those things where he's on a hiding the nothing because

[00:28:15] You know my good friend Brendan Manahan is listening to show he sits next to me sit next to me on the other side Of the aisle for 20 years as soon as Katoa scored that try he kind of hinted to me that It wasn't gonna happen. I'll be

[00:28:30] I'm gonna say it and And Brennan's the biggest Sharks fan in the world I think in that moment and I said to him that's not fair because this is a 50-50 kick he misses or he gets it

[00:28:41] It's as simple as that. That's the math. There's no other result. He's either gonna kick it or he's not I Just think of those kind of odds from that position on the field With that circumstance of not dominating in origin all that kind of stuff

[00:28:54] I felt for Nicko's what I'm gonna say. I really did I did too I'm with you on that one and my brother and I were talking about this after the game and I Remember saying to him that

[00:29:05] Niko might have been the reason that we didn't tie that game, but he definitely wasn't the reason we lost Which kind of took Broaden the context of this particular conversation and made it more than about that kick

[00:29:20] I mean there were four guys who dropped off that last often stripe on that way to that 90-meter I thought being generous, right? Well, I think there was four that I counted and then maybe a whole a whole handful around there who maybe could have made

[00:29:34] A player that didn't I mean it's things like that. It's we come out against the Dolphins and I'm at the point now with this particular team I don't think I've felt like this in the past

[00:29:44] But I'm feeling like it more and more Sam where with this particular team. I'm almost at the point where I can say death taxes and Errors on the first and second play in our own half that lead to a try

[00:29:59] Yeah, are almost those certainties becoming that are happening in life. I mean Even this weekend's game when we got blown out of the pot Try number one that we can see it comes off a short

[00:30:13] Line dropout that turned into a like a not so short line dropout which by the way at 0-0 With no momentum and Just kick that ball as far away from the try line as you can

[00:30:26] I don't see the value at that point of the game and going for the short I'm trying to get that back If you are gonna go for the short 10 short Get it close to the 10 not to the 20 because we just can't do anything about that

[00:30:36] And so I call that an error that leads to a try next try from the Dolphins. It comes off a Ronaldo hand-winning error In our own half on that first and second

[00:30:48] Try there and then even the third try comes from Paul Reed so this is becoming I do think that there is something here I do think that this team has a knack for early errors in our own half that are leading to tries

[00:31:05] But that's not me that needs to be addressed like it's in and to live back to what I said too early Very rarely are these errors coming from the middle of that back three they're often coming from the wings Katoa has been

[00:31:21] targeted by opposition teams under the high ball and it's quite problematic so Again to live it back Disappointing that Nico missed that kick. He's not the only reason that that team that we lost on the weekend

[00:31:35] Blake also is critical of the coaching staff not bringing on Royce Hunt Soon enough to end the game they brought him on according to him with three minutes to go

[00:31:46] He thought that that was a mistake given the form that Royce is in there's a lot more Royce chat So we'll keep going Blake, but we'll get back to Royce

[00:31:55] Jordan says you boys are kidding yourselves if you think we can win a trophy with Will Kennedy at fullback He cannot tackle or read a play would snap your hand off if you offered me Dylan Edwards And there's a few more

[00:32:09] Jordan's not in a good mood. There's a few more coming up, but what are your thoughts on that one? Most people would snap their hand off. Yeah, forget Dylan Edwards. Can we win with Will Kennedy or not? Yeah, I think that myself I don't see it that way

[00:32:21] I don't see Will as being the perfect fullback, but for this particular team I see him being much more a net positive than a net negative there There are definitely times when the read could be a little sharper and it could be a little quicker

[00:32:35] I understand where Jordan is coming from on that point because I think we've seen a little bit of that in recent times But he is the safest pair of hands that we have in that in that back trio He is his support playing is one of the best

[00:32:53] Assets of his game and he is elite in the competition not just within our squad. He is an elite support player In the game and it's being mentioned not just by his own teammates, but but by other

[00:33:05] players competitors around the league saying that he is just brilliant at support I'm watching different games dude to these people because I all I see is improvement in this guy Is he perfect? No, but I've seen so much improvement year-on-year including this year especially

[00:33:21] There's things that he can tighten up things that he can prove, but it's round 15. Let him do it The whole notion we can't win a title with him is for me and I'm not being rude to Jordan I find it ridiculous

[00:33:34] Now if if will Kennedy was our top tier player, you know financially and and and status wasn't the whole thing yeah, I might have an issue with him being the inverted commas best player we have but he's not and

[00:33:50] At the moment I think that just the growth the continued growth It's all positive. Yeah, I think so too And look I think if you were to put will Kennedy in the Panthers team They probably still win premieres. Yes, he can be a premier should be fullback

[00:34:06] It's not yeah all down to the brilliance for the other people that are at fullback there I know we touched on this earlier Sam But I just want to re-emphasize part of the reason I think will is so important

[00:34:16] Is that when you look at the shot with the ball in hand at their absolute best? He is the glue that holds so much of that together and He's so good at it that he's actually the reason that I am starting to

[00:34:30] contemplate what the world would look like if we did move Talaquai back into the centers because he when that backline movement involved Nico will Sipa all the way down to Ronnie that that was a very hard

[00:34:50] That's really hard to gain for and will was often the person who either chose to make that last pass that kept it going or didn't so I Probably am a little bit different to Jordan in the sense that I think will is actually not only

[00:35:03] Quite good at what he does. I think he's so important to the success of this team It's a Jordan continues and you know, we're gonna give him his airtime He says Toby Rudolph is rubbish and always has been he's gassed after 10 minutes for a starting prop

[00:35:17] He misses tackles makes no meters and offers nothing. He should be the first bloke shipped out for AFB So just on that in my opinion, he's not rubbish I think the thing you're focusing on Jordan and a lot of people are is

[00:35:32] The look that he gets when he is in the game. He has a very physically tired look He looks always exasperated. He looks he looks just on his last breath. I think that's just his vibe

[00:35:44] Now it has to be said I haven't been the hugest supporter of his on the field over the years But I think this year and the end of last year

[00:35:54] There's been a big improvement in the way that he plays and the physicality he brings just looking at his stats from the week and He made 29 tackles. He missed three. He ran for 56 meters in 38 minutes Which is not great, but also

[00:36:13] Close to the second most that we had for a forward So I think they're big statements from you Jordan, which are a little bit unfair I always sort of questioned The money he was on and the output that we got from him

[00:36:30] But I've changed my tune a little bit over the past Year, I think there are better props out there for the price that he's on But I think you're being a little bit harsh here particularly on a recent form, what are your thoughts Jardy?

[00:36:42] I also don't think he's rubbish. No, but Jordan does highlight something that I do semi agree with and it's just around the starting theme element of it my personal belief on this and fits as much smarter than I have at this site like

[00:36:57] Backing me on it, but my personal that I test that I'm putting out there It seems to lead me to believe that Toby would be a much more effective option off the bench Then he would be as the starting Prop and we've got some pretty heavy hitters here

[00:37:14] I guess it just comes back to what's your preference as a coach? What's your style? Would you rather have your impact players off the bench sitting on the bench? Ready to come on and run amok from that 20 to 60 minute mark

[00:37:25] Or would you rather come out strong and kind of lay the foundation and the platform? Yeah I probably am of the opinion that I would rather see Royce on out there from opening to go I think defensively

[00:37:38] There's a few challenges that we have with that middle back no matter what the configuration is We we can get really steamrolled down the middle On any given week in ways that are uncanny for a premiership threat to to conceive me is down that that little stretch

[00:37:54] So I worry about that a little bit so I Don't think he's rubbish Probably wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like off the bench more consistently He's definitely more of a workhorse than a battering ram. I'll give you all that and

[00:38:07] As I said like in years gone by he wouldn't have been on my books at the moment he is I think there's an upside there. I think he can find an injury unfortunately as well So I guess Jordan all I'm saying is I don't think he's rubbish

[00:38:20] I think that's a bit harsh, but we'll move on you say Nikos confidence player at best Offers nearly nothing when they're going gets tough So we've covered Niko a little bit will move on Ronaldo is a flat-track bully in scores tries

[00:38:32] But once again, he would like someone else. I think that's also harsh. I think Ronaldo is in pretty good form I know he can find a play the ball error, but what do you thought some Ronaldo Johnny in the moment?

[00:38:44] I love that person. I love that human being. Yeah, I think we are a lot better with him than without him I value homegrown. Yeah My home run I just mean I value people who have been with us for a long time that clearly care about being here

[00:38:59] I've been known to overlook deficiencies in game on and on your performance to To reward that loyalty plus I just and I can't even think about what the If he's not out there on the on the field pumping up the boys after a play there

[00:39:21] Takes on that role in this Appears to be the person that has no problem just stepping in and being a little bit of a menace when you need to be But support police supportive people who was driving at the same time

[00:39:33] Yeah, I also think that the upside in him and the improvement in him has been year-on-year I think that there's a way to go and I don't turn my back on that I understand. He's got a few things in his game

[00:39:43] You want to change but I really don't think he's the problem Will say that Jordan says cheers Hope all is well elsewhere. So Jordan we're cool, bro. We're cool Peter says it's not the end of the world. We get a rest now, which is great

[00:39:57] My son and I were talking with the 8 p.m. Game time last week Would the players have eaten dinner before the game surely they aren't sitting down to a parmy at 7 p.m My guess is a light meal around 5

[00:40:09] Love to know how this works. I love the pod you're winning each week even if the team isn't My heart my heart Peter. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you that came in after the game when

[00:40:25] When Gary and Josh and I were potting at shark park and I showed the boys and we all had a beautiful little smile On high five so appreciate that Peter What was your experience like back then? I didn't really see I saw the players

[00:40:38] I was often at the stadium quite early on game day Sam So I and I was often running around trying to get things done in the lead-up to it And this was back when you would occasionally have three games of football on a given game

[00:40:53] You would have you'd under 20s You'd have no reserve right maybe and then you'd get into your inner house So we would be there for quite some time So yeah

[00:41:02] If they were eating they were probably doing it at a place away from where I was they may have been in the Chairman's All they would just do it at home before they came to the stadium

[00:41:09] But they chow down before they get there and there is some catering there for them. It's obviously all With the game in mind what they need what they don't need and then afterwards there's a chow down as well

[00:41:21] So they definitely looked after but no seven o'clock is not the time they're hitting Hitting the dining table for sure Peter appreciate you being in touch. Thank you To you and your son for listening

[00:41:34] Brett says disappointing into what could have been but you can't concede 30 points and expect to win We deserve to lose that game too many errors poor efforts in defense in the first half

[00:41:45] I want to get your thoughts on the bench rotation the game change when our starting front rowers came off The score was 22 nil after 25 minutes The impact of Hazelton and Williams from the bench was immediately noticeable

[00:41:59] Also after the hammer try and miss penalty goal our starting front rowers came back on We then have one sub left. This is also some criticism where they bring on Royce hunt too late

[00:42:10] While hunt was on the field for 28 minutes. We scored 22 of 28 points. I mean that's a pretty glaring stat there Jards What do you yeah, what are your thoughts on that and the bench and that kind of thing? Yeah, I mentioned this earlier

[00:42:25] There's something a little bit janky about that bench rotation and maybe it has to do with if it's fully Tied to it's Possibly I'm not speaking for this This is just a guess based on what we're saying

[00:42:39] Perhaps he preferred to have those impact players off the bench me personally. I kind of remember the back in the days When I was there one of the one of the things that I will never forget with that two of the first names on the team sheet were

[00:42:56] Kate Snowden and Luke Douglas as The forward pack and part of the reason for that was that they were both simultaneous impact players but also like workers there so Maybe it's because of that and I guess when we go back even further. Let's go to

[00:43:14] Martin Lang and Jason Stevens as a prop to go there. These are people that are simultaneously Impact players, but but what are courses so and they still exist in the game. We've got one day. So Yeah, absolutely. So

[00:43:32] Like in the absence of being able to bring in AFB right now. We probably just need to figure out What we do with that rotation a little bit better me personally

[00:43:41] I always like to start with my impact players up front. I know that there's probably some data science around well you're actually X-percent more likely to break the line if your impact players are coming in at the 17 minute mark or whatever it is

[00:43:56] But just as a general feel for the game I know that in baseball in particular and this will be into bring baseball into this particular conversation but something that is very common in baseball is that certain pictures have a pitch count and

[00:44:10] It doesn't matter how they're feeling and it doesn't matter what the score is and it doesn't matter if they have or don't All the momentum they are out of the game as soon as they hit that pitch count

[00:44:21] And I assume that happens with Ruby Lee players in minutes Yeah, so so on the pitch count and I'm not speaking for anyone within that organization at Cronulla, but it's not as

[00:44:30] Stringent as that but there is something equivalent like they're keeping an eye on everything the heart rate meters run etc, etc There are people up in that box who know what's going on and what's best for the body

[00:44:43] So that's that's where their pinch pitch count kind of comes in It's tough for me because I think the glory parts of this season where Kofusi and Hazleton were holding the middle for the opening 20 most games not all but most games and we're all like hey

[00:44:57] They're doing a pretty good job. And then you had Jack Williams. You had sometimes hunt He had sometimes big to kill like all those guys come on talluk I and Mary impact players

[00:45:10] So the starting kind of chill but holding the line and the guys come on and boom That worked until it didn't work and then on the weekend on Thursday, we saw Rudolph and Kofusi And we're not just blaming the two starting props. But in this

[00:45:26] Conversation we're talking about the props that were down 22 nil So for me, it's almost game by game this year about how they've gone how the bench has gone I don't think it's a simple black of white as what some of some people are suggesting, you know

[00:45:41] I think we're basing it on the last game. Okay in the last game. You're right That's how you should have played it But on other games gone by it hasn't been that way and it's worked. So I

[00:45:51] Think they're still kind of working that one out, but we appreciate Brett being in touch. Thanks for listening. Appreciate you Okay, this is from Liam Jardine now Liam wrote to us a few weeks ago about his dad Kevin

[00:46:03] Kevin's not been well health wise massive Sharks fan and and Liam was explaining that his dad Kevin With his health issues got so rolled up during games, you know

[00:46:14] It wasn't good for him and we we were saddened to hear this and we were like just take it easy Kev Kevin's been in touch which is awesome. So so Liam has written the email and He's saying that his dad Kevin had

[00:46:27] Surgery this week, but he said he can't miss any of our podcasts So he's been listening in a hospital which is just you know Melts our hearts. Thank you so much We hope you think okay Kevin, but Kevin has written to us specifically

[00:46:41] Said hi Sam avid listener of the show. I've got a few questions Toby Rudolph I like the guy but he doesn't bring much to the team compared to Royce Hunt or even young tooku

[00:46:53] Why do they keep picking him ahead of these guys and why tell Royce to look elsewhere? When he's one of our best week in week out, but Toby still lingering They're not making much difference to the team

[00:47:05] So we talked a little bit about this just before Kevin which I hope you've you've heard But on the what about this Jardine? We can talk about this telling Royce he can look around in years to come

[00:47:16] What what's your thoughts on that? What's the pros and cons to that? Well, the the cons are that he is in Maybe career-best form. Yeah at the moment. Yeah, we need to see a little bit more consistently but he is definitely

[00:47:30] In a green patch at the moment in a purple patch, sorry, I mean green patches also apt Again I would probably feel it more if he was to leave then I would feel it if others around him in that

[00:47:46] Let's leave. I'll put it that way. I believe that he has earned a place here I I truly believe that if you were to pair he and a of B together In in next season that is a very Very enticing and appealing

[00:48:04] Duo to to bounce off there. That could be something special There so in that sense, I would be disappointed but true of all the boys in our pack with the possible exception of Big Tom who I think has been consistently impressive. Everyone else has been up and down

[00:48:25] In Extended periods of time. It would be the same for BHU it would be the same for Toby It would be the same for Royce Royce is in a great state at the moment, but he has had moments He has had

[00:48:39] Periods where he has also just been an example of the stuff that we're talking about that. We don't want But I really I really like Royce as a player I think he's a great person as well and and adds a lot of culture value to the team

[00:48:54] So I'd be disappointed to see him like yes, so we say it week in week out But there's no bigger fans of Royce than this show. We've supported him the whole way. He supported us He's a great human being off the field

[00:49:04] And I think that I'm seeing a growth in him not just the past month But in the past year since he's come back from one of the bigger injuries That's been really impressive and his His movement up in Form and improvement has been great since then

[00:49:21] So I'm not suggesting that the past month is just good form was he's looking for a contract I don't really believe that's the case. I know he wants to stay at the club. I know that for a fact

[00:49:32] But also there are other clubs big clubs sniffing around and if they offer him more pesos He might have to make that move, but he hasn't decided yet and

[00:49:43] I think on your point about AFB coming and Royce pairing with him potentially I can see that and I probably couldn't see that Last year, but this year and the last year this year the improvement in him in attitude in the way that he takes

[00:49:59] instructions from the coach It's been impressive and I think that if we were to allow him to stay and have that influence I could actually see him being a starter which I haven't really in the past. So We'll watch this space on that one

[00:50:14] Kevin also says playing at home should be their fortress I actually know Fitz's dad Alan, of course great former coach of ours Alan Fitzgibbon I grew up with him followed his career and I knew Craig as a young kid coming through I respect him as a coach

[00:50:29] I think he's the man to get us to the next grand final But he needs to hurry up because I'm running out of time and I want to see one more before I leave this Green earth. Oh my good tip there Kevin is to get well

[00:50:42] stay strong and Coach will get you there. So just stay with us. It's gonna be a great second premiership. I assure you He said also can you give a special hello to Gary Dover? I love listening to his opinions when you're doing the show together

[00:50:57] He seems to have some good knowledge of the team by for now and up up So I've passed on that info to Gary Kevin and Gary said thank you so much. He said please get better and hopefully

[00:51:09] You know, we'll chat soon. So thanks to Liam for passing it on Thanks to Kevin for being such a big fan of the show and especially of the Sharks We wish you nothing but good health my friend. Good luck him

[00:51:20] Neil says we need your podcast more than ever to make sense of the Sharks midseason slump I suppose we should be happy sitting in the top four It's the same problem though. The air account was 7-0 against us at halftime versus the Dolphins

[00:51:33] Why aren't we hungry and hitting the ground running? I know it's a long season and it's hard to be motivated every week But we've lost three of our last four to ordinary home performances a row. We've limped into the by I'll show faith in fits and

[00:51:50] We come back. Hope we come back fresh and hungry after the by it's just frustrating losing games. We should be winning Thanks for the podcast up up Neil some great points there Neil and and you're right. It's frustrating losing the games

[00:52:03] We should be winning. That's the headline right there We don't know why we're coming out so slow sometimes I saw them train quite extensively last week Jardine and they looked top-notch They look fine good spirits confident healthy I

[00:52:19] Was as surprised as anyone about that start and you could see it You know, we had the nice vantage point of the upper ET You could see that were just not rocking and rolling in that first 20 to your point as well Jardine as Neil says

[00:52:31] The air account was 7-0 at halftime So we're really defeating ourselves absolutely and We just spoke about the forwards and what's the trade-off between? Starting with the impact players and then slowly slowly easing them in but that that every count is is hard to ignore

[00:52:48] It's possible quite possible that it's not because of anything happening in the forwards in that opening stint that we are down 22 points very early It's usually errors basic errors from the back that are causing the pressure to pile on there

[00:53:02] So I think the headline is as you said salmon and as Neil articulates here the frustration is not that where Where we are in the ladder. The frustration is is solely because The L's on our resume this season shouldn't be there

[00:53:22] Should have beaten the Tigers should have beaten the Eagles should have beaten the Dolphins That's that that is very frustrating Rex says love listening to the podcast member of the sharkies along with the family We're extremely proud of where the team is sitting

[00:53:37] We have the most wins of any team and we played some great footy excited for the back end and believe the boys can Set up for a top four finish

[00:53:44] The criticism of Nico is wearing thin but part and parcel of rugby league. Well, I'm proud to have Nico represent New South Wales I think we need to be selfish and ultimately not be concerned if he is not chosen for the rest of the series

[00:53:57] He was treated escape gate last year And don't believe him going through it this series is any good to us as a club and more importantly to him as a person

[00:54:06] He can rest up with the buy around have a good break work hard with fitzy coaching staff and be ready to take Us to the finals grand finals mean more than origin games and series wins. That's my viewpoint

[00:54:17] I believe in this team and excited to see how it evolves up up Nico and sharkies regards Rex Whoo, Rex a lot of positivity there which we love. Thank you very much for that

[00:54:27] I mean, it's a good point. Nick has got the week off this week was his birthday yesterday Give the king carrying bar a shout out for his birthday. He was on Well, I say he posted something on social media late last night thanking everyone for their

[00:54:40] Thoughts re origin and also for his birthday He seems like he's in a good place And I feel like last year after origin it took him a week or two a game or two to kind of get

[00:54:50] Back to himself and I think that'll be the case this week. I'm hoping it's as soon as the Bulldogs game But appreciate all that Rex I agree with you completely We did have a few emails and messages about the following subject something that buzz Rothfield reported

[00:55:08] During the week other details are not strong, but they're factual a Cruella jr. Had some Tattoos which were quite honestly just disgusting on his body He represented the club in the Luke Lewis rep tribute match where it was

[00:55:24] Panthers juniors versus Sharks juniors. I say juniors Jardine, but I think it's sort of like the equivalent of a grade kind of material So more mature. Yeah Men playing the game What do we think about that? I would personally ban him unless he covered them up completely

[00:55:40] Yeah on that. I mean I saw the tattoos. I saw it was written. I've got no time for it and I Would completely tell the person you're covering those up or you're out. That's at best

[00:55:53] At in my heart, I kind of want to go. I don't think you for us. There's been a lot of talking online about Freedom of speech and all sorts of things which I don't really want to get into on this show because I just don't care

[00:56:05] For it, but if that's freedom of speech Jardine, I've got a big problem with freedom of speech Do you have any thoughts suggestions? Theories on this no, I agree with you 100% I agree with the stance. That's there There's a difference between freedom of speech and freedom of reach

[00:56:21] Yeah, and that's what that's what's going on in this particular conversation is Like you can have your freedom of speech We are not going to allow that in our platform here that the reach we have the ability to control the reach

[00:56:33] Of this and I believe the club is doing the right thing. I am exactly like you. I have very little time for This type of stuff and to be fair. I don't know that the club knew about The guy having the specific tattoos that he had

[00:56:51] They claim they didn't notice it until it was I think it was filmed for to watch on the web or something and it became a visual thing so Whether that's right wrong true false. I got no idea, but I don't know if the club went. Yeah, that's okay

[00:57:07] Go out and play that way. So we're gonna move on but again, we're talking about a grade players We're not talking about like a 17 year old kid, I don't think I'm correct in saying that it's the guys were slightly older

[00:57:20] But he does wear a chrono jumper, which is disturbing So I guess if that player plays again, they'll be interesting to see what he's allowed to display and not Chad says it's becoming a very obvious that Nico can't handle pressure yet

[00:57:35] Semis and origin origin selection pressure. I know our team is very green but Nico needs to think about the sharks He'll have no choice after that game Moses just got the jersey a fair bit of I guess criticism coming in for

[00:57:48] Nico and him to step up in sharks colors. I do like Sam that Chad uses the word yet That's an important part in this whole conversation that I think we're all emphasizing there Even when some of us are saying that we're not seeing it out of Nico

[00:58:04] It's not that we don't believe he can do it and it's not that we haven't sporadically seen it in the past it's that we haven't consistently seen it yet and It's hard to refute that that that is we can love someone until

[00:58:19] The Sun goes down, but it is hard to refute that we haven't consistently seen that yet. But that's the goal That's the challenge for fifth is to remove the word yet to get it consistent of all the things that fifth has done

[00:58:32] The all the great things that he's done Sam Since he's been here my favorite one of my favorite things that he did Off the back of Nico's origin performance was just say publicly we only need Nico to be Nico Yeah, that's that's what we want from him

[00:58:48] It was it wasn't about removing the pressure from him and it wasn't about piling more on it was just an acknowledgement that when he's just being himself and When he's just playing his own game, that's when he's at his best and he doesn't have to sometimes with Nico

[00:59:04] Because I see his face everywhere on billboards on buses on Televisions when I'm walking down the hallway, sometimes I I wonder to myself if the version of Nico that we're all seeing is his representative is The person that he sends out to do all these media tasks

[00:59:22] I want to know what the real Nico is like because sometimes when I see all the things I'm like you are a truly Special person if that's if this is what you are like all day every day and and he possibly is like that

[00:59:34] But it's his comment that he made Seem to indicate that there was a difference between the Nico that we would see on that big stage in those big moments And then Nico that we see who's winning a daily end-metal and that the difference would be

[00:59:48] He's just being himself and that when he is himself. He's a better football player and he's better at everything else So I love that Chad used the word yet and I love that Nico

[00:59:57] I love that it's made that comment about it because I do believe that over a stronger period over a longer period of time When Nico is just being the best version of himself That's when the word yet removes from is removed from Chad's statement

[01:00:10] This morning here to come so we'll get to that Corey says a long time was through the pod I haven't found a reason to write in until now I'm a loyal supporter of the sharks followed them since birth

[01:00:20] My uncle was a former shark now written to Corey and asked him who his uncle is if I'm allowed to if I'm allowed to know That's we'll wait to see on that a former defensive coach of various clubs

[01:00:29] I can pinpoint the one problem the club has and we can all see it and that's defense. It's what win games We are not a premiership threat leaking 20 points per game

[01:00:39] I can assure you they won't get past week one of the semis and we've seen this in the past two seasons Now I should point out Corey wrote a really detailed email. It's too long for me to read out specifically but part of it is

[01:00:54] Examples like this. He says you can't fix the problem overnight, but it's fixable They like attitude and mongrel and sometimes get in each other's way The problem the sharks have is attitude Start with that everyone can tackle but it's getting in the right frame of mind

[01:01:09] Making sure everyone knows their role are working together and tackling with each other Next you need mongrel the likes of hunt telecar Williams Hazelton can be the hit men up front big hit strong gang tackles driving

[01:01:21] Tackles and there's a few more examples like that and he says you don't need to win by 50 each week I win by 8-0 16-6 is as good But as long as you don't leak any more than 10 points per game, you're in good hands

[01:01:33] I hope this helps towards what needs to be fixed. It's not about the players. It's about the team Take care and I'm up Shaki. So thanks heaps Corey for your insight

[01:01:40] I know what you're saying and I don't disagree with what you're saying. I think 10 points per game is a little bit Ambitious I can I can cop the less than 20 for sure and I know you know what you're talking about

[01:01:52] I agree with what you're saying. So we'll see what happens there with the sharkies completely appreciate you listening Thanks for being in touch Let us know here your uncle is if you if you care to do that if you don't it's totally cool

[01:02:03] Shane says it's Shane who sits in front of you at shark park So the fellow sits right in front of me Jardine is actually Josh Bowling's former boss Small world two things happened on Thursday, which are some of the worst rugby league traits

[01:02:17] I hate coming back from behind and losing. Yep, you get the hope up and you get crushed It's like losing twice and losing on a Thursday night

[01:02:28] Shane's not a fan of that and Shane's a good fellow has been sitting in front of us for I think about a year now and very

[01:02:35] Respectful guy to have around the foot ease. There's no swearing. He's just very calm and cool quite quite a fan of Shane's work

[01:02:42] So thanks for being in touch brother. We'll see you soon. I have no doubt Dave says we're blessed to have such a consistent and competitive team I'm loving this era as a supporter. I feel I've a connection to the team because of the personalities

[01:02:55] I respect the individualism. I love the way they connect on the field and I trust the direction The executive is heading I refuse to get caught up in over-the-top negativity prefer constructive

[01:03:07] Discussion your podcast nails it. I'm a listener from very early days and like the way you guys Extrapolate the game day and discuss all things sharks. Thanks for doing what you do. Well, that's beautiful Dave up up

[01:03:18] Thanks so much Dave. I didn't know that's where that was going necessarily But someone who has a connection with the team. I love that we love that jobs about the connection yeah, and I Love the individuality comment as well. I love that That it was called out there

[01:03:34] Renal there was always a person that comes mine in their own way They're just they're all like, you know, it's like our stats team at work We're all bunches like individual freaks like Catoa with his fishing Telecar the quiet assassin and Jesse the sort of well spoken guy

[01:03:49] You wouldn't think was the well spoken guy and then Ronaldo is just like High energy and yeah, they've all got their their traits and I think they all come together really beautifully so Brisbane Steve says I was hoping someone would mention this about 20 rows back from me

[01:04:06] At the Brisbane game a couple of people screaming sharky sharkies in the second half so loud The Broncos fans couldn't drown them out team did something great every time they said sharky sharkies If these people are listening to the podcast, please tell us who you are

[01:04:19] I'd like to give them a shout out. So if you're listening to the podcast and you doing that let us know Steve very kindly inquires about my music He's asking where the new album is at and I told him we are at almost to the mixing stage

[01:04:33] So the albums progressed really well won't be out for at least a few months But like probably towards later end of the year, but it's going well Thank you very much to you and your young son Steve who support what we do. I appreciate it

[01:04:46] Dan says it's hard to remember the players are men with lives and family But Nico and Toby don't seem to be anywhere close to their best It feels like every shot of Toby he's on his hands or

[01:04:59] Hands on his hips sucking in the air. Is he not fit is something wrong? Is his best football on the bench? Nico can be a gun but seems to be the biggest confidence player on the planet

[01:05:10] I don't want to be too harsh because who knows what's going on and he certainly didn't let in 22 points himself But something is going on for sure and there's another comparison about something else we get to but your thoughts on that Jardine

[01:05:23] So remembering these guys are just guys and Toby and Nico. Hmm. I mean we've spoken about Nico already Sam and This is a good reminder that they are just human beings as well

[01:05:37] I think it's probably accurate the statement which has been repeated often in this particular episode that Nico appears to be quite the confidence player and He wouldn't be the only person who's a confidence player

[01:05:49] He wouldn't be the only halfback in history who started off as a confidence player and was a label and learned how to grow into a Good player high confidence or low confidence that we've spoken about the two the Toby part as well

[01:06:04] My personal view is I probably prefer to see him off the bench then in the starting lineup But that's just me. I like the point here just around what Nico can be so I think we're all in agreement as a fan base that

[01:06:18] The best is yet to come that Consistency is a work in progress and We need a surrounding with the most amount of support that we can to help them get there. So Dan us about

[01:06:32] Sets following a penalty and he says we must be at 80% to give away a try so I looked it up and We've conceded a try in the set after penalty ten times now Jardine

[01:06:47] That is the second fewest in the NRL. The dogs only have less than that. It's true We do so there's ten tries we've conceded from set starting from trial from penalties So we're not happy seeing that and it happens

[01:07:02] But it happens a lot more with other teams. I thought that was interesting But offer rock infringement with we have the third most So repeat set rock infringement, so it's a little bit different with that. There's some stats for you

[01:07:16] What those that um would love to also see Sam how we stack up against the other top four Teams in that particular thing. It seems like we're on top of all of them We're in fact and we're in top of everyone but the Bulldogs there

[01:07:32] But I'm curious to know where we sit in come in contrast to all those It definitely feels like it's a lot more than second-best in the competition What can see it? We're not we're not watching the teams the way we watch the Sharks

[01:07:44] So that's why it feels like more. Yeah, he also says and this is sort of I think the end of the Nico stuff but Nico needs to step out of the spotlight stop doing media podcasts adverts He's everywhere and focus on blitzing teams on the field

[01:07:59] It feels like our best chance for grand final wins in 2016 17 big love from Canberra. Please keep up the pods Thank you, Dan. So interesting subject that one where you and I work everywhere. We turn we see Nico's face He represents KO which we're proud to say does

[01:08:16] So on that a lot of the ads that you see are done in preseason that they have nothing to do with him now They just run the ads during the season Media he does as little as he can believe it or not

[01:08:28] And I know this is someone who goes down to shark park every week trying to get interviews with Nico Hines and everyone else Nico's only up for media I don't even know what it is

[01:08:37] but it's not very often because because I don't think he particularly enjoys doing that and also They don't want to put that pressure on him because they know the Juneau's are just gonna hit him with all these questions

[01:08:46] You guys are hitting him with so so as far as that stuff goes. I Would say that's not a problem. He does have a podcast with I think he's housemate and He does that in his own time

[01:09:01] I'm a big believer in these players allowing them to do whatever they want in their own time It's absolutely none of our business If he wasn't doing his podcast you can't tell me a bit at home reading a playbook he gets some time off

[01:09:13] He doesn't sit around and edit the podcast like I do. He does, you know, he just floats in they hit record He does this thing he leaves any issues there for you Jardine me personally no issues

[01:09:23] No, no issues for me as well. And in fact, I think it's important to the final turn avenues to Release stress to be able to be yourself I would be promoting any activity that allows me going to just operate in his

[01:09:39] Most in the free version of whatever he is if that's podcasting that's podcasting if that's Anything else that's that's anything else. I'm a big advocate for individuality and finding things I do sometimes wish that

[01:09:54] That I could shake the that impression that sometimes the stigma sorry that I could shake the stigma that sometimes comes when With a person that you see here there and everywhere in the stigma is that by the time you've seen the

[01:10:10] 30th billboard or heard the 20th podcast that you're actually looking at a very curated version of this person So that makes me like I said at the start of the show wonder

[01:10:19] Well, what what is the real Nico actually like because I know these are the billboards that I see But I just don't know if that's the media front or anything else That's why I'm also probably not as opposed to podcast as others because it probably gives me the

[01:10:35] clearest window into what that true version of him is so again, I guess to bring it back whatever whatever allows him to Detox from that rugby league culture and from the hands of being one of the elite halfbacks of the game

[01:10:51] All for he's a massive student of the game Like he does do his own work in his own time and he is always striving to be better whether it's from practicing in his own time or the mental health stuff or the mental strengthening just

[01:11:08] He's always trying to better himself therefore better his performance therefore better the team seek as someone who is Close to his inner circle nowhere near in it I see that and I can say that but he's always striving to do more. I

[01:11:25] Don't know I know him to say hi. We're not mates or anything from what I can tell He's a pretty chill guy. He's pretty as you see him He's not necessarily life of the party all the time like like maybe

[01:11:39] You see that fun side of him on TV or whatever. It's pretty chill heart of gold pretty active person and I do think you do know him Jardine It's just not necessarily the guy you see on TV all the time

[01:11:53] But I feel like as a fan you would know what he's like There is more Nikko stuff which I didn't quite realize but Danny says a lot of hate for Nikko at the moment

[01:12:01] I truly believe it isn't warranted, but he also has to face the facts. He's not a clutch player He's missed four kicks all year and been nailing them from the sideline But that last kick wasn't even close to going over. He needs a couple of weeks

[01:12:14] To let his mind rest and recover Stop thinking about the rep jersey think about what he can offer Cronulla all is not lost far from it We can be critical. I can be critical, but we're not the Tigers when not the eels

[01:12:29] We're a good club going through a patch of bad form the club will bounce back They're just doing what they can right now to get through a long part of the season

[01:12:38] We're in a good position to make a run for the finals as always up up Danny Lee not the former player Danny Lee, but our listener Danny Lee. I like that. They're doing what they can to get through the long part of the season

[01:12:50] It's a long season isn't it Jardine? Yeah, it is and Right attitude from Danny on that one. No public comments. I agree with it. RCB a longtime OG friend We need to come out with some purpose in the next few games by my account

[01:13:04] We need at least six wins for a top four spot I think we start by winning three from three against the dogs Titans Tigers The squad's been dying for a bye, but to be that flat at home is extremely disappointing regardless of the short turnarounds

[01:13:21] Tegui back get telecom the bench middle Get enough in Hamlin well his legs so he can be a starter He's supposed to be so that's from RCB or pretty wise stuff from him David says thanks for the pod. It's a must listen every week wasn't that nice

[01:13:36] He says firstly I need to say to the hysterical chicken littles that cannot handle a loss The ones that believe changing the team every week is the answer or he earns so much He should be better or they don't try or they don't care

[01:13:51] They need to go into the room full of mirrors and how to have a hard look at themselves The blame game mentality is not the culture of a winning club

[01:14:00] All I can say is as a fan of the NRL and the Sharks you would understand the rollercoaster emotions This game and club brings to the negative Neville's take a breath and for a second imagine you followed the Tigers So that's two in a row for the Tigers

[01:14:13] Check the ladder and life is pretty good. Here's an issue needs to be addressed. It's not a criticism of Will Kennedy It's not but why does he stand at number one defender on the try line?

[01:14:24] I understand the fullback needs to be tracking the ball and be on the ball, but he's getting found out Can I make a comment about this because I noticed this as well It definitely is not is not a made-up thing by David there that's happening

[01:14:36] but oftentimes when I saw that happen the reason I saw him doing that is because Unlike most other fullbacks that I'm seeing around he's had to come up and make that tackle He's there he's almost mark

[01:14:49] He's almost marker at in a lot of these instances where he feels it feels like he's that first defender on the trial line But that's a problem that needs to be addressed at a higher level for sure because you can't have your fullback

[01:15:05] Being the marker on a lot of these tackles especially with the reason being that he's had to make that tackle in order for that try to stop like either

[01:15:14] Will needs to trust the defenders in front of him a little more to be able to make that tackle or We just accept that this is something that needs to That he's gonna have to scoot as soon as that play the ball has happened

[01:15:26] And so I see what David is saying, but I don't think will is the cause of him being there I think the cause of him being there is that other people are not

[01:15:35] Completing tackles that they should be and he's having to come up out of that defensive role and step into To make some of those tackles. That's that's just my view on it Sam I don't know unlike other fullbacks as well

[01:15:45] He's pretty good at scooting from marker and if you watch him close enough You'll see that probably more often than what you want But David also says the revival in the second half was some of the best footy

[01:15:57] We've played in the chorus game was the best for a while will Kennedy Royce hunt strong games To regain the lead shows the team has equality not many teams have

[01:16:07] They lost it in the horror. That was the first 14 minutes of that half and and the trauma also by Losing to the try of the year. The Hammers run was special Which it was so thanks David some wise words there

[01:16:23] Alan says read the run-on side selected by the coach neither Rudolph or Hamlin welly have played up to their 2023 form and should be rested or come back through the Jets and not even a warm the bench for them until then

[01:16:37] he thinks that Kofusi and tall Tom should be the starting props and Royce is playing out of his skin should be next up from the bench up up all the best from the Philippines Thanks Alan. Appreciate that. We've covered that a little bit with the middles

[01:16:49] But interestingly you want tall Tom and and and Kofusi back So you might see that see what happens that could be an interesting one to see what happens there with that rotation Sam I think we said earlier that it says

[01:17:02] It's been showing a little bit more aggression in in moving around the line-up people aren't nailing down the assignment So I'm curious to see if he feels like that

[01:17:12] If he shares the sentiment of what people are writing in I'm interested in the in the contract situation like a guy like Oregon Kofusi He's so young and there is so much upside to him. I'm wondering do you just sign him?

[01:17:26] For that and the fact that he's been solid for us and this year more than solid Not a superstar Not a headline grabber But when he and his manager come talk to me I'm gonna listen and see what you want because he's

[01:17:40] He's really done a good job. Absolutely Sam and fast forward I know we touched on this before too, but if I was to fast-forward a year and I'm Know I'm going down to shark bark on a cold Saturday night and it's wet

[01:17:56] And it's just like there's those olden days and I know that on the team sheet for Cronoaw is AFB voice hunt Oregon Kofusi big Tom I know I'm coming out of there battered and bruised. Yeah, I know that that is going to be an

[01:18:16] Absolute slog for me like I just don't know that teams feel like that about a pack at the moment I don't feel like this is this is going to hurt

[01:18:28] For parts of the season they have you know, that's I think that's the my problem with all this kind of recent memory bias Is that our packs been really good for most of the year and when they're not good It's kind of pretty obvious

[01:18:42] And that's a problem as well, you know Michael Gillard former statistician of the shark says I sit at the back of the Monty Porter stand each week in my observation Of the backs after they run the ball back from kicks

[01:18:53] They appear to go sideways too often and they're lighter and they tend to get stopped and lifted back the lifting Infuriates me game wide this impacts our field position when we kick I've noticed against the Panthers and Dolphins there runs out of territory

[01:19:08] Tend to make more meters from their forwards. I love the back five and what they do, but is it hurting us territory wise? So interesting that one. I mean he does watch the game very closely

[01:19:20] I mean I do notice sometimes the Cato and Ronaldo in particular. They're not straight runners they do like the girthy angle, but they're still making their meters so I don't know if it really Affects us most weeks. Maybe you're referring to the Dolphins game

[01:19:34] Michael yeah, I mean we'll watch that one. It's an interesting one more interesting for me though is your PS Had yum charred golden bay Asian over the weekend delicious Chinese is back at shark park it lives again How good is that chart in?

[01:19:50] The new King one essentially the new King one the new sharky It's it's if you haven't seen it. It's if you're watching the game from the T Stan. It's it's left Basically where the old beer hill was elevated obviously yeah, and that's looks good on television

[01:20:07] Yeah, people been dining there. It's open every day, but you can do it for games you can do pregame a lot of fun apparently so so Have to get down there Jardine I know we're both partial to a bit of Chinese food from time to time so yes

[01:20:21] We are Sean says Things have bothered me since the loss to the Dolphins Heinz dropped from origin and the Hammers try can you talk about the hammers? Game defining try against us Heinz has been dropped from origin and he's kicking game has been criticized

[01:20:36] But I thought the kick to hammer was his best kick of the night It was an amazing try, but the opposition fullback shouldn't be fielding a last tackle kick and scoring from there He's still young half

[01:20:49] Honing his craft third year as halfback, and he has a complete kit back His goal kicking has been outstanding and he's shown he has a big boot. I wouldn't want to have any other half in the comp Hard loss to take it home

[01:21:03] Bulldogs going to be a close arm wrestle, but basically Sean is saying that that kick was a beauty which it kind of was Old mate picks it up three meters out from his trial line. I was right in line with that because I was

[01:21:17] Whining and dining with the corporates for a few throughout 20 minutes And it was right in line with me and I was like oh here we go And then Trindle just raced out of the line

[01:21:25] Which he shouldn't have and that could have been anyone that happened to be Trindle and from then it was game on But the kick itself he's right like if you're there with the line of defense You're making the tackle on the three meter line doesn't score a try

[01:21:37] It's very interesting that these he's one of the criticisms These are files. I can't kick well that was a great kick the kick ended up costing us a game

[01:21:47] Not through his own fault, and it would be very on brand. It's very on brand for Nico as well to have something good forgotten because there's something that happened to me after I mean this was like of

[01:22:00] Nico's career that the good stuff that he does can immediately be forgotten by The stuff that happens after which is not necessarily always in his own control, so we got a couple more here

[01:22:12] Giants, I thank you for your patience and your time. Thanks everyone who keeps watching keeps listening. We appreciate it Next up we have Jay Jay says I took my grandson to see his beloved sharks for the first time

[01:22:26] It wasn't the best experience getting a loss and he was not impressed both expected win They seemed flat not interested my grandson keeps asking about why Nico wasn't playing well I said I can't answer that

[01:22:38] My grandson has bobbleheads jerseys all over his room and the hurt the loss hurt him as an eight-year-old How do you explain this to him? He was wanting to see them win for the first time, but he didn't and he was quite upset

[01:22:51] I'm not normally one to take a loss that bad, but because it hurt him so bad I'm wondering if it's worth it taking him to games that have his heart broken

[01:23:01] When his team gets beaten so we'll get to that but then compounding that Nico walked past us after the game My grandson waved held up a Nico sign. He'd made I Even called out to Nico, but he kept walking. I didn't expect that from Nico

[01:23:18] It leaves me asking questions. My grandson was not impressed. I told him he probably didn't see her see us, but he did I'm not sure when I'm gonna take him next Hopefully time will heal and we'll see a much better sharks after the bison

[01:23:31] So two points there, I guess Jardine. The first one is how do you handle? Dealing with someone I in this case a young child Being so amped up and so into it that they can't I guess decipher losing

[01:23:46] Okay, I mean you've you've got experience like that as a human and also I imagine possibly as a father So how do you how do you cope with? Experience for me

[01:23:59] As it relates to this club I wasn't eight I was a little bit older than that not much older than that But it was it was in 1999 against the Dragons in the preliminary final that that was my

[01:24:12] Welcome to the welcome to the club. Welcome to the party. I knew about the history of the team I knew that at that point we were 32 years into our history and we were ready to win something and the way that

[01:24:24] 1999 unfolded it felt like a team of destiny for a very very long time And then it wasn't just the loss It was who we lost to it was who was dominating on that team that we lost some guys back for me in front of me

[01:24:39] And so and so I get it and I guess the only thing I would say Jay is that when we sign people up to come to these sporting events We have to let them experience both sides of The equation here sport is not always happy days and

[01:24:56] We do a disservice to people if we if we try and shield them from disappointing losses the heart-aching losses This could be an opportunity like scenarios like this can be character building In ways that are helpful to young people outside of sports and outside of these other things

[01:25:16] I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of trying to sanitize People from there whilst totally understanding that Jay just wants to be a good family member and protect The feelings there. I totally I totally get that and respect that but if we are serious about sport we

[01:25:33] We can't only back people in and take people to games where it's likely that we're going to win we've got a Quite a bring people along the bride and sometimes that ride is good and sometimes that ride

[01:25:47] Is is painful yeah, so I've told this one before but my son Chester is probably the same age as Jay's grandson and His first game and I have to say he's not like a hundred percent invested like you and I jarred in but he's you know

[01:26:02] he likes them he likes Nico he likes all those guys and His first game was at Cogra so I was the bad parent there But his first game was a Cogra against the Bulldogs the Bulldogs were disgusting like we were gonna win this game by

[01:26:16] 78 points and we ended up losing our friend Marweeney couldn't score like we just lost it was the most diabolical thing I'd ever seen and You know Chester was sort of like what the hell's going on and you just had to say we got bitten by better team

[01:26:31] You know and and I threw out all the cliches and and he was fine like that. That's that's what happens We laugh about it now. Remember your first game that I remember seeing heaps of games as a kid

[01:26:42] We all have that experience losing and it's not fun like my first heartbreak was probably Yeah, like the 88 my Was 88 minor partnership. I couldn't conceive us being out in straight sets and that was really disappointing for me, but you know my grandfather got me through it and

[01:27:02] I'm still here rocking and it's just one of those things Now I'm always taken back to The fever pitch book and the perfect catch with which we spoke about in the show with Jimmy Fallon and and drew Barrymore

[01:27:14] The great movie about the Red Sox and the first scene is the I think it's either the uncle or the grandfather Driving the young boy back after another Socks lost to probably the Yankees And he said on it

[01:27:28] Maybe they won they might have won the game and he was just enamored and he said don't get too attached They'll break your heart kid. That was the first line I was like, that's right. They will break your heart

[01:27:36] So one of the hardest things I've ever had to do as a shark's parent If you will was to tell my son that Sean Johnson was leaving the club at this point in time Sean Johnson is his hero and his idol and all he ever knows about

[01:27:56] Things love the sharks it starts and kind of finishes with him. So for whatever reason This maybe because I was being a mean parent at the time I knew this news wasn't going to go down, but I didn't know how I knew this news wasn't gonna go down

[01:28:09] Well, but I didn't know how badly it's gonna go down So I may have been recording this moment and stress Dan is the only other person in the world Who has seen this video of my son's reaction to it and he was just

[01:28:23] Devastated but the reason that I say that Jay is because the very next week the very next Year Nico Heinz walks his way into the club wins the daily in metal These things work at these things they tend to correct themselves. So bring them back

[01:28:43] There'll be plenty more heartbreak, but there will also be very many Uplifting it was funny in the video when you were telling your son I was actually having a party in the background. I was smoking cigars and the streamers Also on on Jay's point about Nico

[01:28:58] I guess not going over to them. I mean he at the moment He's not hearing and seeing much. He might be seeing you but he's visually just impaired by what just happened Million things going through the mind

[01:29:12] Don't take that personally. He's a Nico does so much for the kids. They all do every player does If you see them out and about they will More than likely give you their time and everything. So just go easy on him with that stuff as well, please

[01:29:26] We hope you get back into a Jay. We sure the best Brent says now Brent's a regular listener regular writer He does like to vent and I say that Positively like you're allowed to vent. So here we go

[01:29:38] I was hoping a win going into the buyer, but instead we got beaten by the Dolphins their first win in Sydney He says how embarrassing is this club?

[01:29:47] It's a stage now where we get the buy come out of that in third spot and get beaten up by the dogs I can see us dropping out of the fall losing week one just to be again embarrassed Just on that Brent

[01:30:00] And I think I spoke about this the other week when you were sort of being a bit down about things which you're perfectly Allowed to do and you're doing it respectfully. It's all good Again, I see you say that and I just think it's a huge

[01:30:12] What if a huge generalization a huge flip of the coin they could do that? Or they could come out and beat the dogs so I Know you laying your cards down. You're saying this is what's gonna happen. I don't want to I want to avoid disappointment

[01:30:25] This is how I feel but There's no reason to think they're gonna get beaten by the dogs after a week off with a healthy Team like the dogs are going great. We're still a better team. It's not lights out yet for us

[01:30:40] So just on that just hold your cards a little bit longer You said I've always been a fan of Nickos But after the Dolphins game I'm starting to think is he really the halfback for us to win a premiership right now My answer is no

[01:30:55] You say that Dan Eccleston and Trindle should be the halves Niko should go back to the Jets to find some form He's a pretender like the rest of the team. That's no disrespect to Niko, but it's a reality

[01:31:07] I've been a Sharks supporter a long time my granddad started and my father my uncle Sometimes the heartbreak they put us fans through makes you wonder if it's all worth it But like all supporters I keep coming back for more

[01:31:22] When's this team gonna put smile on faces for long weeks and give us something to smile about again? As much as I hate to say it we're not gonna get past week one of the semis

[01:31:31] I'm very upset tonight and just want this team to make us smile again. Is that that too much to ask? That's how Brent's feeling the first thing I'm gonna say Brent is Where have you been all year dude, we've been first for like seven or eight weeks

[01:31:45] We've won a whole bunch in a row. We're smiling. It's all good You don't like losing I get that I respect that I don't like losing either But let's talk about the question here, which I want to address Jardin can Niko win us a premiership

[01:31:59] I think it's a fair question that Brent's asking. Let's talk about Brent's question. Can Niko win us a premiership? Yeah He can Can this version of Niko win us a premiership, I'm not sure I think that's that's a different thing but it probably does

[01:32:17] Round out nicely where I think we need to land on this whole conversation About Niko which is this is my view on this one Sam. I Can as a fan as the person I can both be supportive of Niko and

[01:32:34] Accepting of the reality of where his game is at right now Expressing the reality of where his game is right now does not mean that I'm not a supporter and then not a absolutely And I think that's what this is a common thread as a common theme here

[01:32:49] Is that we're listening to people who are supportive of Niko who? Want just like me and just like you and many others who want the best for him But we can't deny the reality of what is happening right now

[01:33:02] That is not to say that what is happening right now is his destiny and is all he is ever going to be But the reality is that right now

[01:33:11] He doesn't have the resume that shows that this version of himself and get it done when the lights are up absolute brightest so I don't feel that it's It's poor taste for people to raise that sentiment

[01:33:29] And I sometimes get a little bit disappointed when people do raise that sentiment and other people will say oh well You're not a real man. Yeah, it's like like that's not true You can be you can they're not mutually exclusive

[01:33:41] I want you can both be a fan of someone and accept the reality of this version of someone right now now The challenge is what steps need to be taken to elevate this person's individual game

[01:33:53] So that you know, we can put this version in the past and then have another conversation about this premiership credentials Again, and that's what I'm saying is that I believe that there is a version of Niko Heinz out there That is a partnership. I think he's a

[01:34:10] Multi-time premiership winner actually I Think there's a version out there in the future. That is Nathan Cleary's origin partner for many many years That's waiting to be unearthed

[01:34:25] That doesn't mean that even now in my state of not seeing that and not believing that that I'm not a fan It just means that there's there's room to grow. Yeah, so Again, that's my view on this one thing is yes

[01:34:38] I do think you can win a premiership with him I think you can win many a premierships with Niko this particular version that we're seeing right now Not so sure there's work to go but I Do believe that

[01:34:51] Crate that's given and the infrastructure that the club have set up there has the potential to unleash that version of Niko That will just be I'm fabulously good In club history, what about the Niko Heinz from rounds? I'm just picking rounds out here. I'm assuming the accurate rounds

[01:35:12] Three to ten see a premiership winner. Well Yeah, but it's round three to ten, right that's Kind of the point like that people sometimes make is that this version if this version of Niko existed When the lights were brightest in finals, okay, then sure like we're okay

[01:35:32] But it's the whole round three to ten part that I think is what people are saying is that we see it when It's maybe there's not as much pressure there But when those when the eyeballs are looking that's when things go

[01:35:48] And and I think about the key the only thing about the kick on the weekends and that that troubles me is not that it was Missed it's that it was just completely sure like that Is noted that sure that like it'd be one thing to miss it

[01:36:03] It'd be one thing for it to have been close but that was the football equivalent of an air ball from the free throw line with the scores locked like It's it wasn't about the technique it was just about the mindset I think

[01:36:16] The only reason I asked was because you keep talking about this version So I just wanted to make sure I knew what you meant when you said this version so this version currently is the Niko that is been kicked out of origin and

[01:36:29] Playing kind of six seven out of ten for the sharks. That's the version you're talking about Well the version sorry the version that I'm talking about to be clear is the version is great at club football

[01:36:40] Where it's not an elimination game or great, but but like or it's nothing like that. But when Season survival is on the line when you're in finals football Things go a little bit wait. That's the collective version that I'm talking about now

[01:36:55] There's the version that gets it done during the season, but when the lights turn bright There's a little bit of deer in the headlights type stuff going on there That's the version that I'm talking about and and for what it's worth. I think that

[01:37:09] DC used to be a little bit like that too back in the day I think Ken Munster had a little bit of that in him early in his career and they both pushed through it now Just in that absolutely

[01:37:23] Yeah, I think back to the roosters game a month ago and I love the fact that he came back from injury The questions were out. We just beaten Melbourne, but can we beat can we keep their own?

[01:37:33] Can we beat the roosters and he came out and he had a fantastic game and he was really confident He's attacked particularly and I think if he can keep improving in those ways in big games, then

[01:37:44] Then we'll have a premiership winner, but it's a great question from Brent. Appreciate you writing in Brent. Hope you're doing well I think that's all the mail Jardine if we missed any we'll get to it in the coming episodes

[01:37:54] But I think that's all the mail which we really appreciate Appreciate you Jardine taking the time to go through it. It was good mail Anything else you need to discuss before we get out of here my friend on the next one the next time that I'm on

[01:38:06] Sam I wouldn't mind cutting off a little bit of time to just talk about Chuck you want to do it now? It's a bit It's disadvantages and it's just off the back of all this

[01:38:17] Feedback that's coming in around bat home losses. I was thinking about this the other night Are you familiar with the story or the allegory Sam of these years ship?

[01:38:29] Sounds like story time with jobs. Let's go. Let's do it story time judge one of my favorite stories or at least Mythology Questions that that gets asked the moral question is around this story of these ship and I'll put it to you this way Sam in the

[01:38:47] In the simplest way I can in this particular story we're asked to envision a ship that's been around for a very very long time and The way that this ship is allowed to continually maintain itself or to continually operate Is that piece by piece?

[01:39:10] Certain parts of it get replaced, but this keeps happening until eventually Every piece of the ship has been replaced okay, the question that is asked at the end of this story that the philosophical question that obviously is being invited here is Fundamentally is that ship the same ship?

[01:39:30] By the time it's been fully replaced by like with with white for white part So Imagine that the ship by the end it is exactly it looks exactly the same as it did when it started But each of those pieces are different

[01:39:46] Is it the same ship that you started with on day one? I think about that a lot when it comes to shot up because The stadium to me Doesn't feel like the same stadium that it used to be

[01:40:03] Even though what I'm looking at and what I'm sitting on are Fundamentally almost like alike pieces of that stadium that have just been replaced Are you referring to the new buildings or what are you referring to? Not just the new buildings

[01:40:19] So they are actually kind of new things I'm just referring to the the park as a whole and the the stadium experience as a whole it is simultaneously the same and

[01:40:32] Not the same for me as a fan and I start to wonder based on results that we're seeing out of the team whether that is also translating to The football pitch is that the home field advantage that we used to have for so long. I

[01:40:51] Don't know if it's the same anymore I think we need to ask that question end of year because Because I know you're not basing this on the last two games

[01:41:00] But if someone was listening to this they could base this on the last two games and go oh, he's actually right like Conceited whatever it is 70 point whatever it is in the past two games at Chuck Park. Oh, it's not the same

[01:41:12] I know you're not saying that yeah, and it's not even the last games either Sam It's it's a week one of the finals against the Brewsters It's against the Cowboys in the final I Think that again after five finals at home in the space of four years

[01:41:31] Let's judge it then I don't think that on the first two Because as I keep saying it's a flip of the coin. It's a 45 meter field goal It's a kick deflection in the other like it's super close. It's not like

[01:41:47] It's not like we didn't go within an inch of winning those games, and I don't know if I can blame Stadium crowd whatever on those losses. I think if you look at just from a results point of view we need more time

[01:42:02] I do appreciate what you're saying. I like the boat analogy I mean I was there on Thursday night, and it felt pretty good man Like I mean I mean the vibe was down because of the way the game was going

[01:42:12] but when they got back into it it was pretty amped and I Mean I still get the same feelings I get and everything so I don't know if I can relate to what you're talking about But I understand where you're coming from

[01:42:22] Well, let's see how it goes over the next little bit but if we continue to lose games at home that we shouldn't be losing at home then the end result of that is

[01:42:31] That teams don't worry so much about coming into shark park anymore and when you're it's an advantage that we've had for so long There was so many teams is just knowing that before the opposition has even stepped into the stadium

[01:42:46] They know they're up that they know they're in for 80 minutes of hell Yeah, yeah a lot of that is on to be perfectly honest the crowd as well like I mean we had 8,000 there on Thursday To be honest it felt more like about

[01:43:01] Six or seven maybe seven they listed eight so we'll say eight thousand And I said it before the game your teams coming equal first I don't know why there's not a sellout like get off your butts if you're able to

[01:43:14] and get down there and I think if we want shark park to be a fortress a part of it is to do with the fans and their experience and their

[01:43:24] support and experience of the team as much as it is of Ronaldo playing the ball properly like I think that You got to get the vibe right. It's no use just being an Amazing team down there the atmosphere has to match it

[01:43:36] Otherwise, it's not as scary. I think fans need to I guess make a better effort again I say that if they can some kind of lots of reasons I get that I'm not having go the general population

[01:43:48] Not going but if you can get down there and you go into the pub to watch it with your mates or whatever And then you complain about it and I don't know

[01:43:55] I don't think you got the right to complain if you're in that situation, but what's what's the answer? It's an open question like Things about Greek mythology and all that stuff is that oftentimes the answer was left to the person to decide and so

[01:44:10] There is no right or wrong answer. It's just philosophical question. Do we think that by the time you've replaced? Every single plank on a ship with a new plank

[01:44:19] It's the same ship like would you put that new thing in a museum and say this is the this is the ship You would have to have a little asterix and go well, you know It was built 50 years after the next bit this was a heavy end to

[01:44:38] Thanks for your time John and appreciate it great to see you at work yesterday and we'll be seeing each other more Which is always a great thing. We'll have you back on the show and we can of course

[01:44:47] Thank you. We got the week off then we play the dogs next week Johnny and I think it's Friday week from memory so looking forward to that we'll get some more episodes to you guys and girls for sure and

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