3/6/24 Catching Up With Kieran Over Coffee About Cronulla

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[00:01:14] This morning we have our friend Kieran.

[00:01:16] Hi Kieran, what jersey are you wearing?

[00:01:18] So I think this is the 2021.

[00:01:21] I think from memory it might be the 2020 but it's the members jersey that has

[00:01:26] all the players names on it, kind of the three quarter length.

[00:01:29] So I'm just looking right now at Twer and Nicky out.

[00:01:33] One of my favourite shark players of all time and an absolute travesty that we did

[00:01:37] not keep him at the club for longer.

[00:01:39] I read his book and he had an interesting story about why he left.

[00:01:42] I think it involved like a video tape on the bus on grand final week so if that

[00:01:47] never happened maybe he stuck with us and maybe we win it in 19.

[00:01:51] Can you tell the story?

[00:01:52] Yeah, there was a...

[00:01:55] This is my memory of this book and I read this book like back in 2003, 2004.

[00:01:59] It's called Walking Tall I think because it goes into his whole life.

[00:02:02] He's had a lot of tragedies and stuff like that.

[00:02:04] And there was a celebrity I think it was from memory who had been in a

[00:02:09] questionable movie and someone put that movie on the team bus during the

[00:02:13] grand final week and he got blamed for it and he said it wasn't him.

[00:02:19] And yeah, apparently just he went on holidays.

[00:02:22] I think from memory it's like Bali or Fiji and had an offer from the storm

[00:02:26] and said, you know what?

[00:02:27] I'm going to take this up and yeah, Dory went and we never got him back.

[00:02:30] So a bit of a depressing start to the catch up this morning.

[00:02:34] I vaguely remember that but I wouldn't have thought about that for a long time.

[00:02:38] That's not good.

[00:02:40] He killed it in the grand final of the storm one.

[00:02:43] Like he was one of the key players, right?

[00:02:45] You just think if he was there in 2019, I'm sorry in 1999, what could the

[00:02:51] Sharkies have actually done?

[00:02:52] Or even 0-1, 0-2?

[00:02:54] Yeah, exactly.

[00:02:56] He was some player that mullet was ahead of its time.

[00:02:59] Like he would have the best hair in rugby league today and he had it back

[00:03:03] in the mid 90s.

[00:03:04] It was wet.

[00:03:05] He was the original Nick O'Hines with the wet hair.

[00:03:07] I don't want to talk about mullets because it's going to get me in trouble.

[00:03:10] My current state of mind and about that.

[00:03:14] We're going to move on.

[00:03:15] Thursday night, we experienced the loss that was 34-22 to the Parramatta Eels

[00:03:23] out at Parramatta.

[00:03:24] They scored six tries to four.

[00:03:26] They completed 35 or 42.

[00:03:28] We completed 33 or 36.

[00:03:31] So our completions were top notch.

[00:03:33] We both had the same amount of tackles in the opposition 20.

[00:03:36] They made three more line breaks than us.

[00:03:38] They offloaded 10 more times which was not good for us.

[00:03:42] We both missed around 44 tackles.

[00:03:45] An open game of rugby league, some spectacular try score by both teams.

[00:03:49] In the end, one team defended better and it wasn't the black, white and blue.

[00:03:53] I want to start there, Kieran Fraser, with what is going on with our defense.

[00:03:57] Three weeks in a row conceding 30 points, two losses.

[00:04:01] The Roosters game you sort of understand high flying, hard to maintain.

[00:04:05] We've seen that week in, week out.

[00:04:06] A Penrith team missing some stars at home, 42 points.

[00:04:11] And then 34 to Parramatta, even though they have some returning stars.

[00:04:15] What's happened to our defense?

[00:04:17] I think the most concerning part for the defense was a lot of the tries that

[00:04:20] they scored were kind of soft tries that we haven't seen.

[00:04:24] I think if some of those tries that have been scored against us like

[00:04:27] versus the Roosters or even the Panthers games that you know,

[00:04:30] you kind of go, well, that was pretty hard to defend.

[00:04:33] But there was one try I think where Junior Apollo ran through five guys,

[00:04:36] like literally just walked straight over five different players.

[00:04:39] And those guys have been making those tackles all season, right?

[00:04:42] So that was the most concerning thing for me.

[00:04:45] I think it was kind of a case where our middles weren't able to get

[00:04:50] the dominance that we needed and they've played a lot of big games back

[00:04:54] to back against a lot of big forward packs.

[00:04:56] And this is why we need the likes of Hanlon Newell and

[00:04:59] Toby back on the field just because it's starting to take a toll now.

[00:05:04] My thinking a few weeks ago was if Hazelton and

[00:05:06] Kefusey can hold that first 20 and hold out the opposition pack,

[00:05:10] our bench can roll over anybody.

[00:05:13] But I think now maybe a bit of wear and tear on those guys because they're

[00:05:16] having to be up for so long is probably just a little bit too much at

[00:05:19] the moment and that's just causing issues everywhere.

[00:05:21] And again, watching that game was like watching the Sharks defend last year

[00:05:24] because they were just getting torn apart at all different parts of the field.

[00:05:27] So my train of thought is similar to that in that we really need a break.

[00:05:31] We need a buy.

[00:05:32] We need some weeks off and guys coming back, of course.

[00:05:36] And that's coming up after the Dolphins games.

[00:05:38] We've got Broncos away, Dolphins at home.

[00:05:40] Pretty tough games, both of them.

[00:05:42] Then I think after that,

[00:05:44] I want to judge how they're going specifically in that first game back.

[00:05:49] Not to say I don't think that we can compete well and

[00:05:51] even win both games but it's going to take a shift in attitude,

[00:05:56] especially defensively.

[00:05:58] We saw some bad one on one misses from players.

[00:06:01] That led to tries.

[00:06:03] We saw some teammates kind of second doubting the people next to them,

[00:06:08] rushing in, leaving the guy to the right with three on one.

[00:06:13] And it was just a little bit messy, a little bit shambolic,

[00:06:15] a little bit not attitude but I don't know, just a mixture for

[00:06:19] me of tiredness and just kind of almost clumsiness.

[00:06:22] Because as you say, we know how to defend.

[00:06:25] We've been one of the better defensive teams all year.

[00:06:28] But the last three weeks has fallen away.

[00:06:30] Roosh's game, happy to say that's fine.

[00:06:33] Panther's game, no.

[00:06:34] Eels game, no.

[00:06:34] And the Eels game was a bit more clinical.

[00:06:37] The tries being scored against us in the Penrith games.

[00:06:40] Not so many kicks with lucky bounces, etc.

[00:06:43] This was a bit more one on one.

[00:06:45] Guys not reading the play, guys not trusting their teammates.

[00:06:49] So, bit of work there for the coach and

[00:06:51] the staff to do I think this week leading into the Broncos.

[00:06:54] It is a longer week which is fantastic because they need that as well.

[00:06:57] I think even those couple of days should freshen them up a little bit.

[00:07:00] But I do wonder if you think he's going to tinker with the front row this week?

[00:07:04] I wouldn't be surprised if we see one of Toby or

[00:07:10] Hanlon Newyarly starting just to try and give that sort of different look.

[00:07:15] And maybe Hazelton goes back to the bench and

[00:07:17] tries to give us a bit more punch off the bench.

[00:07:20] With those other guys that we've got, maybe even a Royce starts.

[00:07:22] And maybe Royce can punch out 20 minutes.

[00:07:24] He's been good.

[00:07:26] Yeah, so it's going to be an interesting one to see how it actually all lands there.

[00:07:30] Just because, like Hazelton and

[00:07:33] Confucius I think if you were to judge them on the season so far.

[00:07:36] It's way past the pass mark for me.

[00:07:38] But I think yeah they might be getting those tired legs.

[00:07:43] And that's where we talk about the depth in the middle and

[00:07:45] we say how great this is and blah, blah, blah.

[00:07:47] But the reality is if you can't rotate those guys then that depth isn't

[00:07:50] really worthwhile because you're not getting the full advantage out of it.

[00:07:55] Let's go to a positive and that is the number one Will Kennedy.

[00:07:58] Absolute dynamite game.

[00:08:00] Even defensively, I mean he was caught out here or there a little bit but

[00:08:03] even just putting his body on the line.

[00:08:05] Trying to stop people four times the size of him.

[00:08:08] But in attack, utterly brilliant.

[00:08:11] Setting up brilliant tries, scoring tries and pretty safe under the high ball.

[00:08:16] I thought he was our best player easily and

[00:08:19] I love the way he's just coming out of his shell.

[00:08:22] It's happening every week.

[00:08:23] It's been happening.

[00:08:24] It's not a new thing.

[00:08:26] But he's a really good player.

[00:08:27] There was that play right where I think he tackled, was it Mitchell Moses or

[00:08:31] someone like that and he was at marker on the wing at like 25 or 30 out.

[00:08:36] And then he was able to chase back and stop the kick.

[00:08:38] And I think it was Joey Johns was saying it's because he sprinted the whole

[00:08:42] way he didn't hesitate.

[00:08:44] And in a tight game like that,

[00:08:46] he could have been excused for being a bit tired because he was everywhere

[00:08:49] for us with the ball in defense.

[00:08:52] It's been his best season for us but

[00:08:55] I've seen some question marks been raised lately about, you know,

[00:08:57] is he the man to be the fullback for the Sharks to take us to a title?

[00:09:02] But I don't think that criticism is valid when he is the best

[00:09:05] performing player in that game.

[00:09:08] Like how would he not be the best option we have?

[00:09:12] Like who else on the market are you going to get?

[00:09:15] Yeah, and value for money and all those types of things all play

[00:09:18] a different thing combinations as well.

[00:09:20] There's a huge bunch of different factors there.

[00:09:22] But I think the interesting thing was when I looked into it,

[00:09:24] because I was kind of like, well, why are we even discussing that?

[00:09:27] Because I didn't really think it was a topic.

[00:09:29] But then I saw he's going to be 28 turning 29 at the end of next season

[00:09:33] when he comes off contract.

[00:09:35] And if you look across the NRL, there's not a lot of fullbacks in their 30s.

[00:09:39] Yeah, sure, we've got Tedesco and things like that.

[00:09:42] But a lot of the fullbacks seem to be this younger style.

[00:09:45] All right, so, you know, I don't know if that's something

[00:09:47] that is being planned about.

[00:09:48] I've got no idea on that situation, but I just thought

[00:09:50] that was quite interesting.

[00:09:51] So I didn't realise he was a little bit older than what I thought he was.

[00:09:54] He did come into grade a little bit later, though.

[00:09:56] Yeah, I think he'd have booted at 22, right?

[00:09:58] And then obviously we had some code years, but I think

[00:10:02] didn't play in like 2017 or so like he had to boot.

[00:10:05] Yeah, 22. Right.

[00:10:06] So I'm not good at maths.

[00:10:07] So I mean, I work out that I've caught my head.

[00:10:10] I guess what I'm saying is he's still got,

[00:10:12] I would think, pretty fresh legs for a guy who's going to turn 29 next year.

[00:10:16] Yeah, I mean, and he's he's style of play.

[00:10:18] I think he's actually improving year on year.

[00:10:20] Right. So I'm not too concerned about that.

[00:10:23] It's just something I thought was interesting because I, you know,

[00:10:26] Mooney talks about planning rosters five years out.

[00:10:30] I just thought that was interesting one,

[00:10:31] because I didn't realise he'd be turning 29 when he's off contract.

[00:10:34] Basically, I mean, the fella coming through who we got from Penrith

[00:10:37] is really, really good.

[00:10:38] He's legit and he could very well be our next fullback.

[00:10:42] So if that's the planning stage, then we're and if he exceeds

[00:10:46] where we think he's going to go, then it's super.

[00:10:49] It's all OK.

[00:10:50] Well, I guess it's just it's a balancing act of a salary cap.

[00:10:53] Because you look at how many players that we have off contract

[00:10:57] from November 1st and we're talking like the Ronaldo,

[00:11:00] Mulla, Talas, we're talking Will Kennedy's, we're talking Nikoras.

[00:11:04] There's a lot of talented players there.

[00:11:06] And sure, they all want to stay.

[00:11:08] No one wants to leave. The club wants to keep them all right.

[00:11:10] But, you know, there will be balancing acts

[00:11:12] and they will have to look for cheaper alternatives in certain positions

[00:11:16] to try and balance out that cap.

[00:11:17] So I think it's something to watch this space on.

[00:11:20] But, yeah, right now, I think he's playing unbelievable.

[00:11:22] And I would honestly would not like to see him play

[00:11:25] for another club against the Sharks.

[00:11:26] I think he's kind of earned that status of, you know,

[00:11:29] being with us, playing in 20s, playing with us for a number of years.

[00:11:33] I hate seeing, you know, guys like that play against us.

[00:11:35] Well, I think that sometimes people just overlook the fact

[00:11:38] that he's not some superstar elite player

[00:11:42] that gets the headlines and appears on TV shows

[00:11:44] and all that kind of stuff.

[00:11:45] Like you barely hear a word out of the guy.

[00:11:47] And, you know, guys like Joey Johns will talk about him

[00:11:50] because they know about the game more than anyone.

[00:11:52] But I think I would encourage our fans and our listeners to just

[00:11:56] if you're not already, I know a whole bunch of you are,

[00:11:58] but just watch him real close.

[00:11:59] Like it all starts with him.

[00:12:01] I don't think there's a lot he's doing wrong.

[00:12:03] Occasionally, he can be out of position for an attacking kick

[00:12:07] close to the line.

[00:12:08] But I mean, in this day and age, the fullback's in the line.

[00:12:10] I mean, remember when we were growing up,

[00:12:12] the fullback was never in the line.

[00:12:13] Now he is. So he can't be everywhere, you know?

[00:12:16] And there are so many times where he's in the line,

[00:12:17] but then he gets back to do that next play behind the line.

[00:12:20] Like there are so many times at Shark Park when we watch them,

[00:12:23] he is defending like on the trial line

[00:12:25] and then he's at the back and saving something too.

[00:12:27] So I don't think lack of urgency is is a problem for him.

[00:12:32] No, no, I think I think he's a great player.

[00:12:35] And again, Nico talks about him super highly.

[00:12:37] I think like Fitzi, when Fitzi's in the press conferences

[00:12:40] and he's asked about him, you can see Fitzi kind of

[00:12:43] like gets a bit bigger when he talks about it

[00:12:45] because he's really proud of the efforts that he puts out there.

[00:12:48] But look, I think I think he was our best player on the weekend.

[00:12:50] So I don't know why the talk started up about that.

[00:12:54] But the one point I would make about our spine on the weekend

[00:12:57] is that's probably the first game where Atkinson,

[00:12:59] Kennedy and Trindle have ever played together

[00:13:02] versus Gutherson, Moses and Brown,

[00:13:05] which is a spine that took Paramatta to the grand final 18 months ago.

[00:13:08] Sure, Paramatta has been out of form and all that type of stuff.

[00:13:11] But I do think that's a point to notice there

[00:13:13] when you kind of look through the teams and you look at one to one.

[00:13:16] We have a I think we have a stronger 17 than Paramatta.

[00:13:19] No question.

[00:13:20] But when you look at those key positions in that game,

[00:13:23] they were way more experienced than us,

[00:13:26] way more battle tested than us and way more fluid.

[00:13:29] And that's maybe why we did look a bit disjointed at times,

[00:13:32] because that not only plays into the attack,

[00:13:35] it plays into the defense too.

[00:13:36] Right. I think you've got players defending next to each other

[00:13:38] haven't defended their like, you know, Atkinson

[00:13:41] and I think Eero were defending next to each other.

[00:13:43] Right. Or was it Trindle and Eero?

[00:13:44] Right. Like that's they probably haven't had a lot.

[00:13:46] They haven't had a lot of reps together defending. Right.

[00:13:49] So I'm not trying to make excuses.

[00:13:52] It was it was a really annoying loss for me.

[00:13:55] But I do think there was a couple of things there

[00:13:57] that they can improve on and fix.

[00:13:59] And I mean, they completed it.

[00:14:00] What did I say? 33, 36, something like that.

[00:14:04] And then they're within six points coming off their line

[00:14:07] and there's an unfortunate error and the errors.

[00:14:10] It's just a handling error.

[00:14:11] Like we're not going to blame anyone for that, as in like,

[00:14:14] you can't blame a loss on that.

[00:14:16] But they were coming home strong

[00:14:18] and a fundamental got it wrong for them.

[00:14:20] Unfortunately, Parra then score.

[00:14:22] If we complete that set, who knows what happens?

[00:14:25] We're definitely back in the game.

[00:14:27] I do want to talk about the spine.

[00:14:28] And I've got some thoughts on the halves.

[00:14:31] And we saw the return of Braden Trindle

[00:14:34] and he eased his way back into the game.

[00:14:36] I thought he was OK.

[00:14:37] He took over the kicking at one point, and that really helped.

[00:14:41] The kicking, he found some space for the first time in the game.

[00:14:44] Turned around power a number of times.

[00:14:46] But I thought Dan Atkinson was the better half.

[00:14:49] And here's why, Kieran Fraser.

[00:14:52] I like what I see out of him as far as attitude.

[00:14:56] And we saw it in that trial late in the game.

[00:14:59] And this is a guy who I believe at this point in time,

[00:15:03] he's not going to give up on plays.

[00:15:06] He's not going to give up on games.

[00:15:07] He's not going to start thinking about next week.

[00:15:10] He's got a real killer attitude.

[00:15:14] And I'm not saying other halves and other spine members don't.

[00:15:17] But if you compare the six and seven on the weekend,

[00:15:21] the seven probably had the better half back kind of game

[00:15:24] or the half game.

[00:15:26] But I thought that Atkinson in a game where he didn't really shine,

[00:15:31] his attitude, I thought, kept him in that game.

[00:15:33] He's always looking to play football and he's always looking

[00:15:36] to do like the short dropouts.

[00:15:37] He's always looking to attack.

[00:15:38] And then, you know, they could be down by 10 with two minutes to go.

[00:15:41] And he'll still be trying to rush the play to try and get the next thing moving.

[00:15:46] One of my friends reached out to me the other day

[00:15:49] and he was talking about how much he really liked Atkinson.

[00:15:52] And he said, he reminds me of James Maloney,

[00:15:55] not so much in the style of the football that he plays,

[00:15:57] but the attitude that he has where nothing fazes him and he just keeps going.

[00:16:01] And he doesn't get caught up in the different moments.

[00:16:05] He just keeps wanting to play football and attack.

[00:16:07] And when you look at how Nico likes to play football,

[00:16:10] that's what he likes to do.

[00:16:11] Nico likes to constantly attack and attack and attack.

[00:16:15] You know, when things aren't going so well, sometimes that can,

[00:16:17] you know, be a bit disjointed.

[00:16:18] But there's something to be said there for the way that he plays.

[00:16:22] And look, Trindle will be better for the run.

[00:16:24] And that's the other thing is we had Trindle playing his first game back

[00:16:28] in what, six weeks.

[00:16:30] We had Ueli and Toby playing their first games back in

[00:16:35] roughly around the same.

[00:16:36] They probably have played maybe one game or two maximum,

[00:16:39] you know, sort of six, seven weeks.

[00:16:41] So it's not all doom and gloom, but it's not great.

[00:16:45] And that performance shouldn't have happened.

[00:16:47] And I can only imagine how they've been in the four walls.

[00:16:51] I drive past Shark Park at, you know, before six o'clock most mornings.

[00:16:55] And the gym lights have been on almost every single day.

[00:16:58] And there have been people in there.

[00:16:59] So maybe that they're getting a little bit angry.

[00:17:02] Yeah, I think that it's a silly statement, but I think aside from

[00:17:07] where you are on the ladder and perception of your team,

[00:17:09] I don't think a loss like that is the worst thing in the world.

[00:17:11] If it if there's positives that they take out of it.

[00:17:15] Remember we said when we looked at this block of games,

[00:17:17] we said, what's a pass mark?

[00:17:19] And do you remember what you said?

[00:17:20] I would have said two or three out of five,

[00:17:23] probably all out of six.

[00:17:24] I was at half out of the six.

[00:17:26] Yeah. So right now we go into these Broncos game

[00:17:30] three and two. Right.

[00:17:32] So if they can beat the Broncos, they'll finish this block at four and two,

[00:17:36] which I think is a great pass mark for where we've been at.

[00:17:41] But the reality is the Broncos can be real tough test.

[00:17:43] So there's a real chance that we could finish three and three.

[00:17:46] After that game, the draw does become a little bit more favorable to us.

[00:17:50] But as we've seen with sides like the Dolphins and Bulldogs,

[00:17:54] they can put together really good performances.

[00:17:56] So there aren't too many layups, but no, we won't have a six week block

[00:18:00] like we've just gone through again, which I'm very happy about.

[00:18:03] And I think the only real issue as well is the perception of the team,

[00:18:08] which it does appear does matter to the players and coach.

[00:18:12] Like as much as they put up that wall about

[00:18:14] we don't care what people say about us, it appears that maybe it does.

[00:18:17] Given some of the statements that they've mentioned in the press,

[00:18:20] which I'm not rehashing, I'm just saying they clearly

[00:18:24] are effective when people say that they're flat track bullies, etc.

[00:18:28] And they've proven that they can win under different circumstances.

[00:18:32] So the whole thing about the walls of the the world's falling apart

[00:18:36] and everything because we didn't win these games.

[00:18:38] It's like, well, hold up a sec.

[00:18:40] We've been Melbourne in Melbourne without Nico with a guy

[00:18:42] who's barely played rugby league.

[00:18:43] And then we beat the high flying roosters in front of a packed

[00:18:47] Sunclover Magic round.

[00:18:49] Yeah, should have kept going on with the jobs.

[00:18:50] But I don't think they're flat track bullies anymore.

[00:18:53] They're coming second on the ladder.

[00:18:55] And the other reason why they're second is because, yeah,

[00:18:57] Melbourne has had two buys as well. Right.

[00:19:00] We've only had the one buy at the moment.

[00:19:01] So the reality of this season is actually quite good.

[00:19:05] Back to back bad performances compound the negativity.

[00:19:11] If those two losses were spread out a little bit more,

[00:19:13] it would have been so bad.

[00:19:14] But those two losses have undone the goodwill

[00:19:18] that the two wins against the roosters at Stormhat. Right.

[00:19:21] So, you know, a couple of weeks ago, we were paying a dollar

[00:19:24] ninety five for the minor premiership.

[00:19:26] I don't know what we're paying right now.

[00:19:27] But once we get through this Broncos game, you know,

[00:19:31] the buy is very favorable for us for the run home. Right.

[00:19:34] So I still think there's a really great chance for us to finish

[00:19:37] at the top end of the ladder.

[00:19:39] The concern is, you know, how tested will the sharks get

[00:19:41] in those last few games?

[00:19:44] But the last game is at Brookvale. Right.

[00:19:46] So another who do game for us to finish on. Right.

[00:19:48] So there's so much time left in this season.

[00:19:53] Yeah, I don't know if we're at the halfway point of the season just yet.

[00:19:57] But if I was to grade where we're at,

[00:20:00] if I was to grade the season, you know, I'm giving it a solid B plus.

[00:20:03] You know, the last two weeks have really hurt us.

[00:20:06] But if you take out those performances

[00:20:08] where we kind of dropped our lollies, it's been a really strong season.

[00:20:13] I think the concerning thing, though, is when we leak points,

[00:20:17] we leak a lot of points.

[00:20:18] So you go back to the Tigers game. Right.

[00:20:20] There's no way that we should let it that many points.

[00:20:22] You go back to the Penderoth game.

[00:20:25] They second was the highest points ever scored against us.

[00:20:28] It's a chart.

[00:20:30] Second most. Right.

[00:20:31] And then, you know, the eels, even with bringing those players back,

[00:20:34] shouldn't be scoring 32 points. Right.

[00:20:36] So it's a bit concerning there, but I think we can get there.

[00:20:40] Yeah, we're halfway through the season and we're equal first.

[00:20:44] I mean, complain all you want, but that's actually pretty good.

[00:20:48] Let's talk about the Senna's.

[00:20:50] I thought both Jesse and Kale had unhappy nights

[00:20:55] in certain ways you view the game, I guess defensively specifically.

[00:21:00] What did you make of their performances?

[00:21:01] I think that they both will bounce back just fine.

[00:21:03] But what did you make of those guys?

[00:21:05] It didn't seem like we got that punch

[00:21:07] that we normally get from the back five to try and get us out of some

[00:21:10] some of the situations.

[00:21:11] And I don't know if it's maybe with a guy like Euro,

[00:21:15] he's played what seven games now or something like that.

[00:21:17] Maybe his body needs that rest with the ball coming up because,

[00:21:21] you know, he's getting targeted by these teams because,

[00:21:24] you know, when they look at that, they go, well, this guy is

[00:21:26] the least experienced player in the back line.

[00:21:28] Like, let's go for him. Right.

[00:21:29] And he's done a great job so far this season.

[00:21:31] But that does wear on a body over time.

[00:21:34] Right. So I'm expecting a big bounce back game from Jesse.

[00:21:38] I don't know if the origin stuff maybe had Jesse a little bit down

[00:21:42] or it was in his head. I'm not sure.

[00:21:45] But yeah, I'm a big Jesse fan.

[00:21:47] And I think with Euro.

[00:21:50] I don't know.

[00:21:51] I don't know.

[00:21:51] It's been one where I'm super impressed with him.

[00:21:54] The yard is the stats always look great on the paper.

[00:21:58] But yeah, I mean, I'm very happy that we've got Cypher in the middle.

[00:22:01] But I think I'd like to see a little bit more of him in attack

[00:22:06] and how we could feature him a little bit more, because

[00:22:09] it doesn't seem that we hit him as much as we maybe hit Cypher back.

[00:22:13] Cypher was that's a good point.

[00:22:15] I mean, Euro had the glaring miss tackle on that try, but

[00:22:20] I he'll learn from that and be.

[00:22:23] I'm not going to hang the guy out, drive for one miss tackle.

[00:22:26] I know it was an important one and you should be making those ones.

[00:22:28] But I want to see some more experience from him.

[00:22:32] And then if he does it in like five games in a row, well, then you go,

[00:22:35] well, maybe this isn't working.

[00:22:37] But I think for the moment, he's doing fine.

[00:22:39] I tell you what, you said that we didn't have the back five punch.

[00:22:43] And I know why you're saying that, but let me read you

[00:22:45] the meters for those guys.

[00:22:46] Will Kennedy, 179,

[00:22:49] the Tongan Fisherman, 136, Jesse Ramey, 163, Kale Iro, 137,

[00:22:55] Ronaldo Milotalo, who did make some long breaks, but still 20 runs for 217 meters.

[00:23:01] So they certainly got all that happening and not one forward made over 100 meters.

[00:23:07] So without those guys.

[00:23:09] Ronnie, I actually thought Ronnie had a really good game.

[00:23:11] Ronnie was was in a lot of efforts and always trying and never getting out.

[00:23:17] But yeah, the Jesse meter surprises me

[00:23:20] because I just felt like he had a bit more of a quiet game.

[00:23:22] And the aero stats are always through the roof.

[00:23:25] I feel like I miss half of his runs compared to the Penrith game.

[00:23:30] I thought it was a vast improvement.

[00:23:31] I know you can only improve from that.

[00:23:33] I didn't walk away from that game going.

[00:23:36] God, we were terrible.

[00:23:38] It was more like, ah, if they defended better, they would have won by 10.

[00:23:43] I think it was just a frustrating game because they came back

[00:23:46] and they were looking like they were trying to get on top,

[00:23:48] but towards the end before that drop ball.

[00:23:51] Well, they finished both hard, one strong, real strong.

[00:23:53] Yeah, yeah.

[00:23:54] So Fitzi was talking about some of the energy levels in the presser as well

[00:23:59] and thinking we could maybe come over the top of them at the end.

[00:24:03] And, you know, momentum is such a crazy thing.

[00:24:05] So if we don't drop that ball, then maybe we do come over.

[00:24:08] But maybe if we do win that game, it masks some of those issues

[00:24:12] that, you know, Junior Polo ran through five people and scored.

[00:24:16] And, you know, like those sort of things shouldn't have happened.

[00:24:18] And there was a lot of soft tries that they let in.

[00:24:21] So sometimes it's not great to lose, but sometimes you do learn more

[00:24:25] from the losses because you're forced to deal with, you know,

[00:24:28] the warts and the scars versus pulling out a late win and,

[00:24:32] you know, jagging it and moving on to the next week saying happy days.

[00:24:35] I mean, throw in the origin factor.

[00:24:37] We're missing our two best players.

[00:24:39] They both do so much for us.

[00:24:41] And I thought that the the back row tried hard,

[00:24:46] but they can't replicate what that guy does.

[00:24:48] Like, it's just literally impossible to replicate that.

[00:24:51] So I was quite concerned about this game going into it.

[00:24:57] I thought you're taking out Hines, taking out McGuinness.

[00:25:00] They're getting their guys back.

[00:25:03] That's an uphill battle for starters.

[00:25:04] And it doesn't matter.

[00:25:06] Look, we just we we completed 30 of 33 or 33, 36, whatever it was.

[00:25:12] And it doesn't matter that we were that good with the ball.

[00:25:16] It just didn't happen.

[00:25:17] Like when we're in the inside 20, it didn't happen defensively

[00:25:22] in our own 20 didn't happen.

[00:25:23] And yeah, it was it was frustrating.

[00:25:25] It was tough.

[00:25:26] It's a lot of leadership that they lost with McGuinness and with Nico.

[00:25:30] Those are two real impactful leaders that they have.

[00:25:33] And I think it's compounded because we don't have a guy like Fnuken anymore.

[00:25:38] Right. And so we've been sort of saying, look, this is actually kind of worked out

[00:25:41] because we've been able to replace Fnuken with like a Royce Hart

[00:25:43] or someone with much big power game.

[00:25:46] But in some some of those moments, they they lacked a little bit of leadership.

[00:25:50] Right. And Tig Wolter, I thought, did a good job as captain.

[00:25:53] But it's a tough battle when you're going up against Para,

[00:25:57] who have got those players back that just sacked their coach.

[00:26:00] They're trying to salvage their season.

[00:26:02] And Mitchell Moses absolutely destroyed us.

[00:26:05] And that kills me because if there's one team I can't stand.

[00:26:08] Mitchell Moses and Guthrie, the way they play,

[00:26:11] it just drives me up the wall with all the complaining.

[00:26:13] Like Guthrie said, knock the ball on and then got up

[00:26:15] and complained to the referee that he knocked the ball off.

[00:26:18] Like, what are you complaining about?

[00:26:19] We know it's a knock on.

[00:26:21] I know what's going on like.

[00:26:23] So I hate losing to Para Manor, but at least I didn't drive out there.

[00:26:27] So there's every cloud has a silver lining.

[00:26:29] It was a consideration if we had Mitch Moses, we'd love him.

[00:26:32] I don't know if we'd love Guthrie, but we'd love Mitch Moses.

[00:26:34] Oh, we'd love all of them.

[00:26:36] I'm sure other fans say the same things about Ronnie

[00:26:39] and all those type of people that we absolutely love.

[00:26:41] So, yeah, we don't have them.

[00:26:43] So I don't like them.

[00:26:43] All right. So Sharkeys lose 34-22.

[00:26:50] Longer week to prepare.

[00:26:51] We go up to Bruisey on Saturday or we're playing in Brisbane on Saturday.

[00:26:55] Probably go up a few days before.

[00:26:57] We don't win much against the Broncos, the Suncorp,

[00:26:59] but we've seen this year we can already win at that ground.

[00:27:02] So that's not a hoodoo for us this year.

[00:27:04] It's going to be tough.

[00:27:05] I mean, we don't know what the situation is with Origin for both teams.

[00:27:08] They've got a few players. We've got a few players.

[00:27:10] We don't know who's going to back up, who won't back up.

[00:27:13] So it's hard to kind of judge that game right now.

[00:27:16] But we do know that Brisbane are going to be very competitive.

[00:27:19] And I would imagine their favorites were going to be on our game.

[00:27:23] I think it's going to be one of those games if we win, where we

[00:27:27] surprise a few people, you know?

[00:27:28] It's going to be a real tough task.

[00:27:30] And personally, I just can't see Nico being able to play

[00:27:34] if he's going to play on Wednesday night with his calf.

[00:27:37] That's a really quick turnaround to get him on a plane up to Brisbane

[00:27:40] and get his body right.

[00:27:43] McInnis, yeah, I think he'll probably back up

[00:27:46] just because he's an absolute lunatic.

[00:27:49] But that Broncos team is really good.

[00:27:51] And when I look at the teams who I think can win the comp,

[00:27:53] Brisbane is 100 percent one of those teams

[00:27:55] I think can knock off Penrose in the finals.

[00:27:58] They've got such a such a big forward pack.

[00:28:00] Their backs are insane.

[00:28:02] Ezra Mann is absolutely on fire.

[00:28:05] He's awesome. Yes, they're missing Reynolds at the moment.

[00:28:07] But they've got so many strike weapons.

[00:28:10] You know, Reece Walsh, like they've got so many good players there in that team.

[00:28:14] So it's going to be interesting to see how many of those guys back up,

[00:28:18] like Payne Haas.

[00:28:19] You know, they got some real key players that will be playing on Wednesday.

[00:28:24] But Broncos always have depth, right?

[00:28:26] You know, they always seem to put together a team

[00:28:29] and give us a bit of trouble.

[00:28:31] So I don't think we have a two graver record against Brisbane in general,

[00:28:34] let alone in Brisbane.

[00:28:35] So this could be one of those lie in the sand moments where they sort of say,

[00:28:39] all right, well, again, we're back in a position where everyone expects us to be.

[00:28:43] What do we want to do about it?

[00:28:45] They got a real chance to go up there and send the message.

[00:28:47] I'd say a good way to do it is just looking at some stats now.

[00:28:50] And we mentioned this on the last episode, maybe you and I did

[00:28:56] third best completion rate, therefore third best errors.

[00:28:59] We're completing at 82 percent.

[00:29:02] Only the Warriors and the Titans are completing at more

[00:29:06] and it's by a tiny bit.

[00:29:07] And now, OK, so you go, for example, Brisbane have the worst completion rate,

[00:29:12] but they're still pretty good teams.

[00:29:13] It doesn't necessarily mean you get up.

[00:29:14] But you still got to do that to be in games, at least.

[00:29:17] And we saw that against Para.

[00:29:18] We're in the game. Just couldn't go on with it.

[00:29:21] So that's super impressive to me.

[00:29:24] Defensively, we've slidden a little bit.

[00:29:26] We're down to the fifth best defensive team in most categories.

[00:29:31] So not

[00:29:33] not nightmare situation, but we're first or second down to fifth.

[00:29:37] Attack wise, we're sixth.

[00:29:40] So that's fine.

[00:29:41] That's we're averaging over 25 points per game.

[00:29:45] Really only the Roosters are at 29.

[00:29:47] Everyone else is around the 25 mark in that top tier.

[00:29:50] So that's all going OK.

[00:29:51] So all those kind of, you know, KPIs, if I want to put a better word,

[00:29:55] they're actually pretty good.

[00:29:57] It's more just how you manufacture it on the night.

[00:30:01] And I think with Nico Hynes there, if he plays, I think he adds so much.

[00:30:05] And I think if he plays against Para, we probably win.

[00:30:09] If it's just Cam McInnis, still an uphill battle,

[00:30:12] but he'll get through a lot of work with Nico there.

[00:30:14] I'm not saying without him, it all falls apart

[00:30:15] because we've seen that it doesn't.

[00:30:16] But I think that was the difference between Para and Cronola.

[00:30:19] Just that little bit of class in playmakers.

[00:30:23] If if Moses doesn't play and Nico plays,

[00:30:26] you know, it's a completely different game. Right.

[00:30:28] So I don't understand like I'm making excuses for that

[00:30:31] because it's it's just a frustrating thing.

[00:30:34] But there is a reality to what you've said there,

[00:30:36] because it's absolutely true.

[00:30:38] And I think when we look at the stats,

[00:30:41] I think the one thing that just concerns me is the offloads.

[00:30:44] When we seem to be getting rolled over,

[00:30:47] it's because teams are offloading at will.

[00:30:49] And then they're throwing the ball out wide and our edges aren't.

[00:30:51] Handling it right.

[00:30:52] So so in in in years gone past, months gone past,

[00:30:57] someone like you has said that to me and I've gone, yeah,

[00:30:59] but look at this where the sixth best team containing offloads

[00:31:04] this morning were the second worst.

[00:31:07] We concede over 10 per game.

[00:31:09] Only the Broncos who are playing concede more.

[00:31:12] So now there is some data to back that up.

[00:31:15] Yeah. Well, maybe the offloads in the past

[00:31:18] were just at the wrong times for us because

[00:31:21] they were just impactful offloads.

[00:31:23] But I think with this one,

[00:31:25] and it would be interesting to see where we've sat on that offload

[00:31:28] stat over the last four weeks compared to say four weeks before that,

[00:31:33] because it feels like the last few weeks, there have been so many of them.

[00:31:37] Right. And when those teams are doing that

[00:31:39] and then they're getting the ball to another fresh forward

[00:31:41] who's then punching forward another 10 meters, getting a quick play the ball,

[00:31:44] they're constantly on their feet moving backwards.

[00:31:46] Right. And so I think that's why, you know,

[00:31:49] Toby and Braden are so important for us to get those big guys back and get them fit.

[00:31:54] Like, it's one thing to have them coming off the bench and playing,

[00:31:56] you know, these small cameos, but we need them out there punching big minutes.

[00:32:00] And that will also then allow us to properly utilise the bench.

[00:32:03] So, you know, a few weeks ago, I said I wasn't sure

[00:32:06] with how we would do the best make up on that.

[00:32:08] I think I've seen enough now where I know now that those guys,

[00:32:11] they came into the season as our two best props

[00:32:14] and they should be starting.

[00:32:15] So over the last month, we've actually been the worst.

[00:32:19] And we've crept up to sort of 16th as in second worst.

[00:32:23] So it's been poor for at least a month.

[00:32:26] Exactly. That's something that they can work on.

[00:32:28] There's consequence.

[00:32:29] Look at who we played last month, right?

[00:32:31] And if we want to do anything in the finals, it was going to be those teams.

[00:32:34] Right. So that's something that they've really got to address

[00:32:36] because they're so costly to us at the moment.

[00:32:39] All right. We've got two bits of business to get through before we go.

[00:32:43] And the first one is random shark of the week.

[00:32:49] And when I see these ones up, I have no idea

[00:32:53] how hard they are for you because you are a bit of a weirdo

[00:32:56] when it comes to this stuff.

[00:32:57] So I've picked one this week.

[00:32:59] This jersey helps today.

[00:33:01] Well, yeah, I picked one this week, which I personally

[00:33:04] basically I'm trying to stump myself and I think I've stumped myself.

[00:33:08] But it doesn't mean I've stumped you.

[00:33:10] So here we go. Random shark of the week.

[00:33:13] Born in 1977.

[00:33:16] Junior club Tweed heads.

[00:33:20] Position, all I will say is he was a forward for now

[00:33:24] and he played seven NRL games.

[00:33:29] He played seven NRL games between 1995 and 1997.

[00:33:36] All three seasons were for the Sharks.

[00:33:39] Therefore, he appeared well, he was in the squad

[00:33:42] for three final series, including a grand final in the squad.

[00:33:47] So to recap, born in 77 Tweed heads, Junior forward.

[00:33:52] He played for the Sharks between 95 and 97.

[00:33:56] Seven games. Any clues yet? Any tips, thoughts?

[00:34:00] I'm drawing an absolute blank on this one.

[00:34:03] So in 1995, he played four games, two from the bench to starting.

[00:34:10] He debuted against the Gold Coast Seagulls

[00:34:14] on the Gold Coast, round nine, 1995.

[00:34:19] There's a theme here.

[00:34:20] His last match in 1997 was more high profile.

[00:34:25] His last match was in the major semifinal

[00:34:29] of the Super League season in Townsville against the Broncos.

[00:34:35] Why was that in Townsville?

[00:34:36] No idea. Some sort of John Rebo idea.

[00:34:39] Let's go to Townsville and make the game the biggest thing ever.

[00:34:41] Sharks versus Broncos. Wow.

[00:34:44] I have absolutely no idea.

[00:34:46] I am absolutely stung.

[00:34:47] One try, one career try.

[00:34:51] He did play an international, played two internationals in 95 for Samoa.

[00:34:58] That should help me, but it doesn't.

[00:35:01] I feel I might have you here.

[00:35:02] Hang on, let me just look at my arm.

[00:35:04] No, no, well, yeah, OK.

[00:35:06] You can look at your arm.

[00:35:06] Nothing else. We had some names for me.

[00:35:09] We've got Wade Forrester.

[00:35:10] It's not Wade Forrester.

[00:35:13] Matt Daylight, not Matt Daylight.

[00:35:17] Dion Koop.

[00:35:19] It's not Dion Koop.

[00:35:20] But some good names here for random shark of the week though.

[00:35:23] Is he like a, was Dion, is he like a South African?

[00:35:28] I would have to look it up.

[00:35:29] I don't, you've stumped me.

[00:35:31] I don't know who Dion Koop is.

[00:35:32] I feel like you looking at your jersey means you don't know who this is.

[00:35:36] I've got absolutely no idea.

[00:35:38] I don't know if there's anything else.

[00:35:40] No, it's not Andrew Neaf.

[00:35:41] I don't know if there's anything else I can give you.

[00:35:43] Let me just see.

[00:35:44] It's killing me because it's like this is on my left shoulder

[00:35:47] is like all the players that debuted in 95.

[00:35:49] So I'm trying to get a look at this.

[00:35:52] Don't do that.

[00:35:53] In 1970, he played two games.

[00:35:57] One was at home against the Cowboys and one was his last game in the final.

[00:36:04] Just want to double check something.

[00:36:05] I might have gotten it wrong about the position.

[00:36:09] I'm pretty sure I didn't.

[00:36:12] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:36:14] Okay.

[00:36:17] Well, maybe he wasn't a prop.

[00:36:19] Maybe he wasn't a prop.

[00:36:20] He might've been a winger.

[00:36:21] The random shark of the week is Brian Lamartia.

[00:36:27] Ah, I'm so sorry, Brian.

[00:36:30] L-A-U-M-A-T-I-A.

[00:36:32] Do you know who Brian Lamartia is?

[00:36:35] If you show me a photo of him, mate, I wouldn't be able to recognize him.

[00:36:38] And that makes me quite sad.

[00:36:40] So then the 90s stuff is not so much my go-tos.

[00:36:44] That's harder for me.

[00:36:46] This jersey is providing some absolute gold.

[00:36:49] What are Eddie Seward's up to right now?

[00:36:52] He's iron braiding Seward.

[00:36:54] Yeah, look, I can't confirm the position he played.

[00:36:57] But since retiring, he joined the New Zealand police and he's currently,

[00:37:00] well, whenever this Wikipedia was the captain coach of the county's

[00:37:05] Manakau Police Rugby League team.

[00:37:07] There you go.

[00:37:08] So while I was, I was bored the other day and I was trying to put off doing

[00:37:12] some work and I just jumped on that website that lists all the players in

[00:37:17] history and I found one guy from like 2003 who I have no memory of and he

[00:37:23] doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

[00:37:25] Like, and then I try to Google his name and I couldn't even find, um,

[00:37:31] like a photo of him in a shark's Jersey.

[00:37:34] Um, I can't remember the name, but again, this is the whole point that

[00:37:38] I just can't remember this bloke's name, but, uh, it's absolutely got me.

[00:37:41] I think it was, uh, uh, can't find it of course now, but it was a front

[00:37:48] rower that, um, I'd never heard of anybody say Nick Patterson.

[00:37:53] Yeah.

[00:37:53] He got a nickname of banjo, right?

[00:37:56] I remember Nick Patterson.

[00:37:57] I remember Nick Patterson.

[00:37:58] Yeah.

[00:37:58] Yeah.

[00:37:58] He played two games in 2000 and no, two guys, 2002, one game in 2003.

[00:38:04] I do remember the nickname banjo.

[00:38:06] I just remember like when I saw that I was like, if that ever came up, there

[00:38:09] was no way I would be able to remember him.

[00:38:11] We got you now before we go, before we go, you have just started watching

[00:38:17] the bear American drama.

[00:38:19] It's actually listed as a comedy to win awards, but I'm going to call it

[00:38:22] a drama you've watched one episode and many of our listeners have watched

[00:38:26] two seasons.

[00:38:27] That one's coming out real soon.

[00:38:29] What were your thoughts on the first episode?

[00:38:30] I really liked the main actor.

[00:38:32] I can't remember his name, but, um, I watched the iron claw on the plane

[00:38:36] last week and, um, I really liked that movie.

[00:38:38] So I thought we'll give this show a crack cause you've been sort of saying

[00:38:41] it to me, um, it was very chaotic.

[00:38:44] Like I was very stressed watching how these kitchens worked and everything

[00:38:49] like that I could see the potential for this show.

[00:38:52] I really liked the soundtrack as well.

[00:38:54] There was some really cool songs in there that, um, they were just

[00:38:57] playing in the background of like, they didn't like make a big deal

[00:39:01] of those songs playing, but if you knew those songs, it was

[00:39:03] just kind of cool to hear.

[00:39:06] I can see myself getting into this show.

[00:39:07] So I will watch episode two tonight and I'll try and get through as

[00:39:11] many episodes I can this week.

[00:39:12] So

[00:39:13] they're shorties.

[00:39:14] Most of them that they're around half an hour.

[00:39:16] I think when they pack a lot of swear words into it.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:20] You can't have the kids around.

[00:39:21] Um, it gets better.

[00:39:23] Like it's like the first episode is great, but it gets better.

[00:39:25] It's a really strong two seasons of I caught drama and yeah, the main

[00:39:31] guys unbelievable in anything he does.

[00:39:34] Uh, it's the, I think it's a little show that could like, it's just,

[00:39:37] it caught on and it spread like wild.

[00:39:40] You know, it just, I'm a huge fan of the show and yeah, I can't wait

[00:39:45] for you to sink your teeth into it.

[00:39:46] I think you're going to stick with it, which is exciting.

[00:39:49] Uh, yeah.

[00:39:49] I know a lot of our listeners have already consumed the bear, but I'm

[00:39:54] excited for you to be at that position.

[00:39:56] You know, you, you've never seen the show and it comes on.

[00:39:58] Like, that's a great feeling as somebody who loves TV.

[00:40:00] It's also, it's a great feeling when you see that FX logo come up at

[00:40:04] the start because it just takes me back to all those great shows like

[00:40:07] 10 years ago that were coming through, like Breaking Bad and all

[00:40:10] that type of stuff.

[00:40:10] But this is one of those.

[00:40:12] It's just, it's just a different, slightly different genre maybe, but

[00:40:15] it's yeah, I think you're going to like it.

[00:40:17] I really do.

[00:40:18] Awesome.

[00:40:19] I look forward to it.

[00:40:20] All right.

[00:40:20] And I will finish Curb as well.

[00:40:22] That's a whole other episode, dude.

[00:40:24] Like that, that stresses me out.

[00:40:28] That's for another time.

[00:40:31] But, uh, we have the Broncos this week should be interesting viewing.

[00:40:36] Uh, and I hope that the lads can get the job done.

[00:40:38] I'm sure they can if they play to the best of their abilities.

[00:40:42] Uh, Kieran, we want to thank everyone for listening, for watching,

[00:40:45] for tuning in.

[00:40:45] Uh, it's been a great year so far for us on the poddy and we love doing this.

[00:40:51] So, uh, get in touch, shacusport at gmail.com.

[00:40:53] We'll get through email later in the week.

[00:40:55] Kieran, a lot of people have written in an emoted to us.

[00:40:59] So we're going to get to that.

[00:41:01] All I can say to a section of those people writing in is that

[00:41:05] it ain't over till it's over.

[00:41:07] So we're coming equal first.

[00:41:09] And I would like to take this to say sorry to everybody for talking

[00:41:12] about grand final tickets two weeks ago and just ruining everybody's

[00:41:15] season. So look, I'll personally wear that.

[00:41:16] If you see me around, feel free to heckle me.

[00:41:18] Yeah, we've had some people write in and say that to us at the time

[00:41:22] you mentioned grand final tickets and scenarios, the downhill slump

[00:41:27] started and they can't be faulted.

[00:41:28] It's actually correct.

[00:41:29] So aside with some defensive lapses, your thoughts on grand final

[00:41:34] tickets also has, you know, festered into this negativity, which,

[00:41:39] which we're going to get out of and get out of it real soon.

[00:41:42] Thanks for listening everyone.

[00:41:43] We'll be in touch real soon with another ep till then.

[00:41:46] Take care. Have a good week, Kieran.

[00:41:48] See you later, my friend.

[00:41:49] I will talk to you soon.

[00:41:51] Shaka's pod.

[00:41:51] We can't play the song.

[00:41:53] So we're just going to play some hip hop instead.

[00:41:55] Goodbye everybody.

[00:41:56] Speak to you soon.

[00:41:57] Up up, Granella.